[UPDATED with PD Protest PHOTOS:] Kelly Thomas' Retired Deputy Father Blasts Fullerton Police for 'Killing My Son'

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UPDATE, JULY 18, 7:12 P.M.: The Fullertonian's Alex Stouffer was at this afternoon's Fullerton Police Department protest with camera in hand, and some of the resulting shots have been graciously shared with the Weekly.

Among those who turn up in Stouffer's lens is Ron Thomas, the father of 37-year-old Kelly Thomas, who was taken off life support by his family after he'd been knocked into permanent unconsciousness and brain damage by a half dozen Fullerton cop earlier this month.

Expect to see some or all of these demonstrators at Tuesday night's Fullerton City Council meeting.


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All photos by Alex Stouffer/The Fullertonian
Protesters gather at Commonwealth and Highland, in front of the police station.


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Ron Thomas (left) talks with protesters. He says he did not organize the demonstration.


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For more protest details, read the post below.


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UPDATE, JULY 18, 5:34 P.M.: About 20 demonstrators--some toting signs that read, "Who will police the police?"; "The police are not above the law"; and "Cold-blooded murder"--have been protesting for the past two hours in front of the Fullerton Police Department.

The group demands answers into the death of a homeless man and downtown fixture, Kelly Thomas. The 37-year-old died after taking a beating from a half dozen police officers who'd been called the evening of July 5 about car burglaries near the downtown bus depot.

The Orange County District Attorney's office is now investigating the officer-involved killing, but several Fullerton observers are ready to draw conclusions now, which explains their demonstration on the northwest corner of Commonwealth and Highland, in front of the police station.

Ron Thomas, the father of the dead man and a retired Orange County sheriff's deputy, has been highly critical of the police beating, and he joined the protest, although he said he had nothing to do with organizing it.

Thomas tells the Weekly he hopes the protest shows the local media and the Fullerton City Council that "the people" are hungry for answers.

"This thing needs to go national," he said.

But first, Thomas will go local, appearing at the police department's request to Tuesday night's City Council meeting, even though there is nothing on the agenda about the police beating. Thomas vowed, "There will be a lot of people there tomorrow" to address his son's death.

Also applying pressure is International Assemblies, a Fullerton church sponsoring a protest of its own at the police station 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. Saturday.

"We will have members of the homeless community there, minority community,  babies, anyone," said church member Kyle Colyar, a Cal State Fullerton track and field athlete. "We want cats and dogs to show up."

Also spotted in the crowd today was Tony Bushala, editor of the Friends for Fullerton's Future blog, which OC Weekly named the Best Blog of 2010.

(And . . . viola! Here is Friends' protest post.)

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Fullerton Business Owner
Fullerton Business Owner

Kelly lived behind my shop for more then two years. I saw him everyday. Do you know how many times his loving father showed up there in over two yeras? ZERO, NONE! Not once did Ron show up with a sandwhich or a blanket!! People say he could not do anything and I agree he could not force meds etc but he could of showed up with food or anything!! Since day one it has been all about him not his son!! He said he didnot recognize Kelly because of the beard. Kelly had that beard for over a year which proves my point more. I support Kelly but Ron has turned me off so much from this issue..People like myself who cared and saw Kelly everyday get disgusted when we see his bs and self absorbed, ego-maniac behavior!! If you cared about your son you would of stopped by atleast ONCE in two years to see him, to hold him, to feed him. Now you just feed your ego!! REAL talk... 

nanettev55
nanettev55

It's good to read a post like yours to know that some people treated Kelly with compassion. Sounds like you have a good heart ~ God Bless

Shibalba187
Shibalba187

Cannon, you are an idiot. One thing you might not know, if your iq is too high, you can't be a cop. You should sign up buddy, I believe in you. Talking to a homeless guy is not high stress for people who aren't overweight alcoholics like the ol see these fists pig.

Fm21496
Fm21496

I hope those coward bastards get the punishment they so deserve.

Jani petteri koivu
Jani petteri koivu

hello from finland.. i read this this text on my newspaper last night. i have to say this kind on happening is sick... why you cant trust police in your country? i think this is the reason. here in fin we trust police becouse they are.. i mean we can trust them. they don use to much force if they have to. rip kelly thomas.! i think you find better place to be. and his father i need to say i´m sorry for you.  My name is Jani Koivu and i live Riihimäki in finland..

Pedroreyes805
Pedroreyes805

Same inccident happend in the town of Santa Maria CA, 100 miles north of the city of Santa Barbara. cops killed another cop, because he was about to exposse some dirt from the inside...so they shot his brains out... and yet the cops decided to hire CHP to do the investigation....WTF???

Harms1
Harms1

This is a Federal crime.

Mack_davis2
Mack_davis2

This is totally uncall for. The police involved should be kicked off the police force and charges of murder should be pressed. Its just too sad of a story, I'm at a lost for words. But I do know this is murder , I don't care how you slice it. Someone should pay for this crime. They are to protect us not randomly pick people out and take out their frustrations on. Come on folks when's enough,enough?????

Rose-horton
Rose-horton

I hope Kelly's army does not loose sight of the main issue, the murder of Kelly. The focus must not be blurred. The 6 policeman that killed Kelly must be tried for 1st degree murder, the rest of the police that stood guard as it was happening must be charged with obstruction of justice, accesory to murder, failure to protect the public, duplicity and whatever else applies. To attack the fat, aged, detached Fullerton city council members will not achieve anything but a loss of credibilty to Kelly's Army's voice. I hope and pray that the Army can maintain it's dignity today after the DA's decision to charge the 6 or not. I hope and pray that the Army can be consistant and tireless in their pursuit for justice for Kelly and for all other silent victims of the brutality by Fullerton Police officers.

Gilbert Leyva
Gilbert Leyva

who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you ? let him shew out of a good coversation his works with meekness of wisdom james 3:13

Racer X
Racer X

I have the suspicion that the six bastards are going disappear from the public eye for months and eventually vanish from California. They will move to a different State where nobody knows them to continue their sick lives.

Kelly was MURDERED no matter what they say. The six bastards are not only cowards but insane individuals that must be sent to the electric chair before the end of the year.

Look what just happened in England when a police officer kills someone.

http://news.yahoo.com/riot-hit...

And here we have six pigs beating a homeless man when they wanted and until they wanted, and we have to wait for an "investigation".

What are they going to investigate? That there is a possibility that Kelly was dangerous? that he represented a threat to the real criminals?

Investigation my ass! That video is good enough to prosecute the six motherfuckers.

LanceThruster
LanceThruster

I am sorry for the brutal and unnecessary death of your son, Mr. Thomas. I fully support you in your call for justice. It will most likely help, with your own police background, that your issue is not with cops, just horribly incompetent and vicious ones.

The city's poltical leadership must also be held accountable.

Fight Back
Fight Back

Justice Must be served for Kelly Thomas, 2 of those Officers were said to be as big as football players and Kelly was about 125 lbs!!! Bad Cops have been getting away with this for Years! It seems that alot of these Rouge cops were Bullied as kids and now they are paying back! 

SOOUTRAGED
SOOUTRAGED

It's true, these Rouge Cops are everywhere...I have seen and experienced this type of rouge behavior personally...cops - 8 of them, guns drawn- with automatic rifles in front of my  house, ordering my 14 year old son to lie on the floor...dragging him down my driveway, injuring him, that was the scene when I came home....

It wasn't till my neighbor informed these cops that I had survelliance cameras on my property and that I worked for a law firm that they changed their attitude and backed down...a Seargant was then sent to "speak" to me... I told him this was a  a violation of my son's civil rights who by the way, WAS A MINOR...

Needless to say, I pursued litigation and also filed a "police brutality compliant" in the city where I live.  I wanted these Rogue Cops to be punished...nothing ever came of the "investigation"!   Needless to say, I was OUTRAGED!  I don't believe in our justice system anymore and I have lost confidence in police officers!

JOHN L. BOOK
JOHN L. BOOK

UN-FRICKIN' BELIEVABLE!!!!

THANK YOU JOHN & KEN>>>KFI>>>FOR THE REPORTS!!!!

JOHN L. BOOK

JOHN L. BOOK
JOHN L. BOOK

U- FRICKIN' BELIEVABLE!!!

THANKS FOR THE REPORTS JOHN & KEN!!!

Rosie
Rosie

RIP Kelly Thomas may your soul be in peace.

Justin Rcgi
Justin Rcgi

I personally knew kelly not enough to call him anymore than an aqaintance but i can tell u he was a sweet guy who may have had mental illness but him nor anyone else deserves to die from being beaten. the guy was just a homeless guy who i would give money for jack in the box or give him smokes from time to time. he was always polite and even tho i live in yorba linda where the homeless are taking from our city and dropped off at the city limit (which i dont agree with) he was always allowed outside the bar i always saw him at because he never once bothered anyone or asked for anything. i hope the police officers that did this end up in the chair with a death sentance. i agree with sooper trooper the fullerton police dept are a**holes who f*** people over all the time. i support his dad in taking this as far as he can and hurting the department as much as possible so they will start acting like real police officers and not the thugs who hide behind there badges.

Honeybadger
Honeybadger

I feel sorry for the people of Fullerton. Where are they able to go if their police department behaves like this and the chief of police refuses to discipline his officers? That has got to be the scariest situation ever. The cop thugs are quickly going to get to the point where they can rob and steal from people with impunity and the people of Fullerton will have no recourse whatsoever and no remedy. I hope that all six of these officers are prosecuted for second degree murder. They all need a 15-to-life dose of reality. And then I hope that La Eme takes them all out, one by one.

Cannon sucks
Cannon sucks

Wow are some harsh comments on here Cannonr is a loser. There are good and bad people everywhere just keep in mind what comes around goes around. I wish the best to you Blacktom and your family.

Cannonr
Cannonr

yeah whatever..next time you need a cop call the The Ghostbusters!!

SOOUTRAGED
SOOUTRAGED

I will, at least I know they won't MURDER me!

Collina20
Collina20

fuck you pig  DEVILS DIE IN THEIR OWN INIQUITY

Wow
Wow

Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany.  What has our become of our country?

JohnK
JohnK

From what I have read police have confiscated a person cell phone that shows the beating clearly. It now seems now it never existed. Resisting arrest is a BS charge, he only weighed 165 lbs and 7 cops at well over 200lbs each could not subdue him. Yea right. Oh by the way when you are being tased your muscles will constrict involuntarily, he was resisting... I don't think so. I don't care about his past it has nothing to due with the fact he was beaten to death by these thugs. The mayor and chief of police are worthless. The mayor rather drink a magnum bottle of champagne at the libaray than make a comment about it and avoided the incident. The police chief I am off to the caribbean. The police are now in the process of damage control at it best which includes, lying, posting other peoples mug shots, saying they broke ther little bones, where on his face if they broke anything. I hope they get what is comming to them, GOD help everybody in Fullerton CA.

Sheena
Sheena

there are very many people who knew Kelly as a teenager.... before he had his problems. anyone can tell you that he was a harmless person.

dogsRbetter
dogsRbetter

Face facts, if Kelly's father wasn't a retired officer himself no notice would have been taken of this particular beating. Unless the abused person is black and a very vocal spokeman for that community becomes involved the story would'nt even make the paper, let alone TV or council meeting. What happened to the case where teen female was shot inside her car in Riverside? nada, how about the man coming to his door, in the middle of the night, in response to loud knocking, AT THE WRONG DOOR, shot & killed by police, nada, where are the questions about why brooms, etc. were used to sodomise a detainee back east, nada, what REALLY happened to Ron Settles? This case, too, would soon be forgotten except his dad has some credibility. Average people, you and me, Joe regular guy, would never see justice. Frightening thought, that, eh??? Look into police actions in other countries and you will see that those carrying a badge are, many times, worse than the other criminals among us. We are beginning to spiral down and I fear for the future, as we all shoiuld...bottom line, keep your head down or learn to grab your ankles. dogsRbetter

Alan Haft
Alan Haft

It's despicable to see what the Fullerton police have done in this scenario. Secure your own future with this class in Fullerton: http://bit.ly/opAgLk

Zak
Zak

The last thing you want involved in family matters is the police, and if a loved one come in contact with police and is suffering from mental problems God help them, I know the heavy hand they use in these matters, no compassion or restraint is even considered , It saddens me to know that they treat mental illness as a crime, and in this case they caused the death of this poor kid.

Dweezle.Di
Dweezle.Di

Where does it say this guy was a baby goat or a child? He was a 37 year old man! NOT a CHILD!

SOOUTRAGED
SOOUTRAGED

HE WAS MENTALLY ILL AND DID NOT DESERVE TO BE MURDERED!!

Collina20
Collina20

devils die in their own iniquity

Blacktom
Blacktom

Everybody is somebody's child.

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soapinpool
soapinpool

Cops are criminals ? sure there are bad apples like in every group..but to clump all cops as criminals...that's a stretch...there's thousands of encounters every day between cops and citizens and nothing happens ...You know why ? because most people listen and comply with what a cop says...You dont like the outcome ? we have courts and lawyers ..and so on...Don't start stuff at scene ! You start fighting and arguing you are pushing a big boulder downhill...and you're in its path !

nanettev55
nanettev55

Yes, because starting a scene could get you killed, as cops can likely get away with murder

Satan Evil
Satan Evil

You are a total retarded loser. Police are not above the law  and they are not god either.Some people comply with the cops if and what it depends on what the cop are doing to that person for them to comply with them since cops are not above the law,Police are criminals when they are doing wrong to other people they are not angels .... You are just a low life scum bag if you believe Police officers are in the right to do wrong to others which is never the case. You are really fuck up and stupid like the Cops out there are,if you think like that and Police are never in the right to break the law or do harm to other people.

how much longer father
how much longer father

When a person is confronted by police for no reson, a person should pertect their rights and take a stand. Why simply submit and comply. Look at the videos of the scene released recently, one cop pushed a person just taking the video " what crime is that". I hope this goes National and all the bad cops are weeded out. I wonder if Kelly was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and got beat to death by the police. Don't you!

justiceforkellythomas
justiceforkellythomas

I totally agree....more people should stand up for their rights. And there is definitely way more to the story. Finding the motive for their murder is key in this situation. That way they get what they truly deserve. PUNISHMENT!

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Blacktom
Blacktom

Courts and lawyers won't help Kelly.  He is now a murder victim, and his killers are protected.  The courts and lawyers will determine how well protected these killers are.It took a long time, but the Danziger Brige murderers finally went down.  Look it up, if you don't know what happened. 

a Mother who truly understands
a Mother who truly understands

Hi.  I am the mother of a 28 year old son who has suffered from schizophrenia since he was 18 years old.  I know that many people have no clue about what this terrible disease does to our loved ones.  I would like to try to help by sharing some information about this disease with those who may be unfamiliar with the ravages of schizophrenia.

People who suffer from this devastating DISEASE do NOT act like other people. NOR CAN THEY BE EXPECTED TO. 

Schizophrenia is a BRAIN DISORDER.  Schizophrenia most often makes sufferers become paranoid, very confused, very anxious around loud noises or crowds and very distrustful. They are often unable to remember instructions, unable to follow verbal instructions and they often have extremely short-term memory problems.  Not to mention the fact that they are likely to become very defensive if confronted with loud, angry, menacing or critical voices, especially if more than one person is talking at a time.

Their speech, and thoughts often become very disorganized.  They may talk or laugh to themselves.  They have no motivation at all to do anything that they used to enjoy doing. They do not have "fun" or enjoy being around other people. They often prefer to be isolated and alone. They often no longer care about grooming, nor remember to groom themselves, bathe, change clothing, flush the toilet, etc. without constant reminding.

People who suffer from schizophrenia often can not tolerate  being touched at all, and often do not like to be looked at directly in the eyes. If you look them directly in the eyes for more than a second while speaking to them, they may say somnething like this: "Why are you stabbing me with needles in my eyes??"  Schizophrenics are very sensitive to  sounds and background noises such as birds chirping,noise from cars, noise from shopping cart wheels being pushed along the pavement, doorbells, vacuums, tvs, radios, people talking loudly, dogs barking, or the fan running inside a computer.  My son took apart his very expensive, and perfectly functioning computer because he said the fan inside was broken and making too much noise.  No one else noticed this noise, but him.  My son took his computer completely apart and had the pieces spread all over his bedroom floor; he did this several times. 

Also, my son could not tolerate the neighbor's wind chimes constantly making noise, nor our family's dog's collar and dog tags clanking on the edge of the water dish as the dog got a drink.  My son could not tolerate the sound of flushing toilets or the sound of running water from a shower, etc.  This noise drives him to distraction and made it difficult for him to function. My son took his mattress off of his bed and put it up against the wall to block out noises from coming into his room.  He also refused to flush the toilet or to take a shower because of the noise.  Schizophrenics can also be  very sensitive to touch; if you touch them on the hand it may very likely send a "shock wave" up their entire arm and into their body.  Very often, their eyes are very sensitive to sunlight; they will wear sunglasses at ALL times if possible, even inside the house. My son would not get near the TV set, because he was afraid the TV set was going to "suck him inside."  He thought the people on TV were speaking directly to him and telling him things to do.

Schizophrenics can not manage their finances at all and will give away the shirt off their back if someone wants it. My son gave away his extremely valuable and  prized Fender guitar and other items. My son has not picked up, nor played any of his other guitars since he became ill.  His Marshall amps and other equipment remains unused. Schizophrenics usually become "stuck in the past."  If they were interested in skateboarding, or in Magic cards, baseball cards, or whatever, when they became ill..then that is what they are most likely still obsessed with.  My son loved to play the card game called "Magic" with his friends when he was younger.  Today, at age 28, he has all of his pockets jammed full of his Magic cards..even though he never actually plays the game with anyone. He just shuffles through the decks and looks at them hour after hours.  Often he writes unintelligible writing all over the cards. He says that he writes on them in order to relieve the stress that he is feeling.  Every time we go to the store, he wants to buy more Magic cards.  He probably has thousands of them. He is like a child who constantly needs reminding to do the simplest of things, including to brush his teeth. When I ask my son a question, I will usually need to repeat the question again before he understands what I just said. Or, after a few minutes, he will ask me, "What did you just ask me?  Or, what did you say? He will often take a long time before answering.  It takes him a long time to process information. This is very typical of people suffering from schizophrenia. 

In order to try to understand what a person with schizophrenia lives with on a daily basis: imagine yourself standing in an appliance store...looking at a large wall full of different televisions sets, all turned up loud and all of them on different channels.  Now, how well could you understand what was being said on any one of those T.V. sets?? Now, imagine that you believed  that all of the people on those TV sets were speaking directly to you..and that they were saying terrible, horrible things to you.  You would find it very difficult to function in the real world with all of those voices in your head that are constantly talking to you, saying terrible things about you, or to you.  

All of these things that I have mentioned above, and even more that I have not mentioned, (I could go on and on) will put a person who suffers from schizophrenia on the defensive.  Similar to the reaction of a cornered animal; they go into a self preservation mode. 

People who suffer from schizophrenia most often do not have insight into their own disease.  That means that they do not have the ability to understand the fact that they are ill and they usually do NOT believe that they are ill; instead, they believe that other people around them are ill.  This is why it is so difficult to get a person who suffers from schizophrenia to take their medications.  If YOU did not believe that there was anything wrong with you...would YOU want to take medications that gave you terrible side effects??  And, after many years, if a person with schizophrenia does begin to understand that he needs to take medication, he often cannot remember to do so.  Or he will lose track of whether, or not, he took them that day, where he left them, etc.  They need a lot of support and help in order to stay on meds.

  And, according to our current laws, you cannot force someone to take meds if they don't want to take them.  And, if a family member tries to get medical help for a loved one who suffers from schizophrenia, you will quickly find that it is nearly impossible to get help for someone against his will, unless that person "is determined to be a danger to himself, a danger to others, or gravely disabled."  

If my ill loved one is out in public (it is not against the law to be mentally ill), walking around, or sitting somewhere, etc.... and you decide to arrest him....  Don't bash his head in with a flashlight, just because you can't get him to act like other people. Or just because you can't get him to be silent and motionless while you are beating him sensless. My loved one is not able to act in the way that you are demanding of him.  And, I don't  believe that ANYONE could be silent and motionless while he is being beaten to death. Not even a police officer could hold to that high standard.

So, as I watch the video of this poor, helpless, mentally ill man, only calling out to his father for help, as he is being  beaten to death by officers who have sworn to protect- it is beyond revolting, sickening and disgusting to me.  I sit here in anguish and in disbelief that we, as a  society, treat mentally ill people and the homeless far worse than animals. 

Mental illness affects MILLIONS of families.  Ask around.  Almost everyone knows someone, or knows OF someone, who is affected in some way by  devastating mental illnesses. It is time for Americans to be educated about mental illness...and to be compassionate.  Some day, mental illness will affect you too, ..one way or another.  

Thanks for reading this...and for hopefully understanding just a little bit more about what it is like to have a serious mental illness. It is a heartbreak for families and it destroys many, many lives.

Blacktom
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Thanks, mom.  I really hope that your post helps some people understand schizophrenia.  This disease took my best friend in college, after we had graduated high school and served 4 years in the Navy together.  He has not been able to work or study since then - over 20 years.  His parents take care of him, since they understand he is seeing and hearing things that are not there.  They don't judge him.  I had to judge him, after he threatened my life, based on a hallucination.  We were college students, and I couldn't take care of him.  I think a lot of people are the streets are schizophrenic, and have just burned every bridge with friends and family, and of course are unable to support themselves.  The idea of someone living in this scary, very personal reality, running up against authorities who can be very  impatient with some citizens is indeed terrifying.  Cops all over the country need a lot more training than they receive in dealing with the mentally ill. And dealing with their own adrenaline. 

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Lapbanddan
Lapbanddan

We wanted to report on this but our union bosses told us to shut up or they would cut off Chris sorely needed medicine. So instead were going to post more comments under fake names about Santa Ana.

By the way, when I announce my canidacy for Shitty Council, I am going to explain how I was disiplined and lost 250 lbs. (I'll leave out the part about the LAP BAND!! folks might think I was fat and lazy). I might have my wifes participation on a game show as a central point of the campaign.

So back to this important story, since it doesn't look favorable for the PUBLIC EMPLOYEE POLICE UNION, we won't be covering it. (got that nick!)

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ChrissyLeo
ChrissyLeo

What he's trying to sayis that Chrissy Leo will be holding classes on how to get a new job once you've been fired for cheating on your wife with a coworker. And fitness tips from Sean so you can run faster than her husband when he shows up at the office to beat you up. Thank goodness St. joe's doesn't check references too well. neither does Disney for that matter

Jobeers
Jobeers

Man there are some deranged people out there. And I'm not talking about mentally ill homeless people, but people with internet connections...

DKMFAN
DKMFAN

Oh snap, the Dropkick Murphys are coming to Pomona. Want to go Leo? It'll be just like those days on the SAPC before your divorce

Matthew T. Coker
Matthew T. Coker

Huh?

Dweezle.Di
Dweezle.Di

My thoughts exactly Matt! I have been wondering what this guy was trying to say...Anti union drivel, free add for lap band, or free political add?

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