Does the Diocese of Orange Want to Buy Out the Crystal Cathedral?

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Save me, Brownie!
If there's one thing people should know about the Catholic Diocese of Orange, it's that the crazier the rumor, the more likely it's true. Men of the cloth abusing boys and girls? Of course! Bishops covering up said abuse? That's religion! Siccing attack dogs on abuse victims? Damn straight!

I'm sure I've used that intro for a blog post in the past, but whatever: it's true! So when there's buzz going around Marywood that a movement's afoot by the Orange diocese to buy out the Garden Grove properties of the Crystal Cathedral, you know something's a-brewing.

A group of priests, lay people, and others in the circles of Orange Bishop Tod D. Brown are trying to convince him to ditch what Brownie wants as his legacy: Christ Our Savior Cathedral, a massive project up the street from South Coast Plaza that's been a vacant lot for nearly seven years. Brownie has been going around town, increasingly desperate to raise the funds from wealthy donors, groveling for some bank loans--but no one really thinks it viable to spend upwards of $100 million in this economy, in a county that already has a cathedral.

Instead, goes the argument, Brownie should sell off the Orange diocese's Marywood headquarters, gather other sources, and buy the Crystal Cathedral. The Schullers, of course, are aching for cash and are also dealing with a rapidly shrinking congregation. Doing so would save the Orange diocese millions of dollars, save the Schullers from further financial insolvency, create an immediate cathedral for Orange County's million-plus Catholics, and fulfill Brownie's need for an Ozymandian edifice--okay, so that last thought is mine, but the rest is what Brownie's retinue are telling him.

That plan, as wild as it sounds, actually makes financial sense--plus, Brownie could sell off that vacant lot for the proposed Christ Our Savior Cathedral and score some cool, immediate cash. Of course, "sense" and "Orange diocese" go as well as "Matt Cunningham" and "the truth." Heckuva job, Brownie!

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MRC
MRC

Gustavo es un lloron (Gus is a cry baby) 

frankieboy1
frankieboy1

with friends who work there I wondered why the Diocese of Orange didn't buy this...this doesn't surprise me... 

Your mom
Your mom

 IDIOT ALERT! IDIOT ALERT!How do you have a job? If you call this writing, your a round headed idiot...anyone can write if you don't have to stay on topic...you are useless

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

It'd be nice for this to be true. There are dozens of parishes more distinctive and grandiose than Holy Family Cathedral... and then maybe LA will shut up about those engraved angels in the glass you can see from the 101 freeway.

BringbackReagan
BringbackReagan

 Oh another crass and sarcastic article written by another duffus at OC Weekly who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.  But, when the music stops, he will learn he has no friends and, he's not that smart and maybe he has been shopping at too many advertiser in the back of this rage pushing their new "Medical Weed".  Gustavo.......you are shallow and untalented.  Trying to impress your fellow sarcastic writers by picking an easy target.....niceeeeeee

MomInventor
MomInventor

"Brownie"??  Really??  How pathetically crass and immature.  Why is it again that you write for OC Weekly?  Gustavie??  Have you spent years to become one of the higher-ups at your profession like Bishop Todd Brown?  Um..........not even close.  Comedy at its best.

Kenlaysnotdead
Kenlaysnotdead

Speaking of Mr. Cunningham, I am surprised none of the ususal suspects have questiond Matt's disappearence.

Let's see:

1) He slowed down his posts at Red County when the FIRST 5 thing hit hard, obviously under fire.

1A) He gets kicked off the Orange Planning commission.

2)Jubal was all but absent during the whole Marylin Davenport debacle....STRANGE for a guy that offered up his weenie anytime Baugh snapped. 

3) Chip Hanlon gets sued for FRAUD and the only mention from Matt is Wiskols, BOLD mention of the OCBLOG. Now he's scrambling.

4) in an exchange on the Reason.com blog he announces hois retirement. Nary a ord on any of his other blogs: redcounty.com OR romancatholicblog.com BUT WAIT, a diocesan priests posts supporting the rumor that his daughters got FREE tuition at St. Norberts in exchange for his work on behalf of Fr. Urell. NOW HE IS INVISIBLE.

5) Lastly, He is heard this past week crying about the state of his marriage and bashing Dennis B. and Tita smith.

So, either somethings up or I just like kicking a guy when he's down.

In this case, With Jubal........Both are true!

Jpf92780
Jpf92780

Gustavo, LOL your writing comes across as a pathetic anti-catholic pyschopathic looser.  You disguise the origin of the article as the 'purchase of the Crystal Cathedral', only to use the platform to attack a religion.  Dude get some professional help.

Rjjb7
Rjjb7

That "vacant lot" is perhaps  not so vacant.  Its the home of a vibrant parish which holds numerous Masses in three languages each weekend.  Its the place of worship for me and my family and for many other Catholics as well.  It's where my youngest son was baptized.  A little respect would be appreciated. 

Jenny
Jenny

Because I'm tolerant I'm going to let you speak your opinion. Going back to the real point of the story, those are wonderful news, if it's true!

MRC
MRC

I agree with you, Jeoei1812. Lloron!!

Jeoei1812
Jeoei1812

Another article attacking the Catholic Church!?! I'm shocked! Oh wait ...its just another writer sharing their opinion on things they know nothing about but spitting it out as it means something. Yawn....

Bill T.
Bill T.

Apparently written by another dedicated reader ... .  Most comments an articles like this seem to come from Gustavo haters but they keep reading and reading and (ad nauseum). "Easy target", so you think that he has a point, hm. If you apologists weren't so pathetic you would be hilarious. By the way, I like your pseudonym, he couldn't be any less cogent now than he was then. 

Gaston
Gaston

Hey Chris! be sure to tell everyone about your extramartial affair that cost you your own marriage before going after Mattyboy.  The Laura Cunningham filing for divorce is not his wife dickhead.  keep engaging in the same anonblogging that got you fired from Lou's office jackass 

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gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

 Who are you kidding, Bill? These haters are LOVELY!

Kenlaysnotdead
Kenlaysnotdead

Who said she was filing for divorce????

The Cunninghams are GOOD CATHOLIC'S. They would push for an annulment. Which I am sure would be granted based on Matthew's "Prior Service" to the church.

It is a little creepy why she is mad to the point of splitting! But, once he settles in to the new job and brings home some $$$ she shut up. Thats Laura's style.

Lou Otto was a fag. I quit he didn't fire me.

Gaston, what is your name and city? Anonomous blog comments seem to bother you?Put up or shut up.

We know you are Matt using Dani's IPAD! 

Jeoei1812
Jeoei1812

I am actually flattered to hear that I could be considered an apologist :) It just doesn't make sense how you tied in the priest scandal with buying the a new cathedral?! And how crazy the Church is then to come back around and say it could actually be a good thing?! Kind of contradictory and meaningless to say those things. At that point its just a dislike of the Church and not much else.

Guest
Guest

Gustavo is just jealous that younger man-boys have taken his place at the 'altar service'. 

pokey
pokey

LOL-Ken/Chris Leo is pn OJ suggesting that KenLaysNotDeads might not be a man! How true. Anyone who's met Chris knows he has NO balls

Gaston
Gaston

Ken/ChrisLeo, you want an identity for an anonymous poster when you hide behind this fake name and spread all manner of bullshit?  Lou is muy pissed off you called him a fag.  And why not tell everyone the state of your failed marriage dipshit?  You cheated on your wife with a married co-worker and you think you can moralize here.  Hypocritical dipshit

GSA
GSA

If Chris Leo had any cojones, he'd stop throwing his own turds from behind a fake name. You're doing St. Joseph Health real proud, Chris! If you're lying here, you're probably fudging the expense reports!

GSA
GSA

If Chris Leo had any cojones, he'd stop throwing his own turds from behind a fake name. You're doing St. Joseph Health real proud, Chris! If you're lying here, you're probably fudging the expense reports!

Jeoei1812
Jeoei1812

 The anti-Catholic statement is obvious. I didn't think I needed to point out what you wrote but I guess I will. Basically to say that any ridiculous statement about the Church tends to be true is not only ignorant to believe, but obviously anti-Catholic. I am very proud to support an organization that believes in helping people and forgiveness. I don't believe in holding on to every mistake people make. Otherwise I would be as miserable as you seem to write. I love how you accuse everyone who supports the church on actively protecting pedophiles, which obviously untrue, and then you call people skinheads?! I believe in punishing the person who committed the crime not those in the church 5 decades later. I support the 99% of Priests and Bishops that had nothing to do with the crimes committed. And I pray that you and all those with hate in their heart find God!

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

 Like all apologists, you can't actually point to what's anti-Catholic about my statements, but hey: way to support an institution that actively protected pedophiles!

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

Swing and a miss, Jason. Last names don't map very well to religion these days.

Jason
Jason

Judging solely by your last name, it's no surprise you have an imagined grievance against the Catholic Church.  Time to get over it....the same old story gets old...and really boring. 

Dave Lieberman
Dave Lieberman

It seems simple enough to me... the idea that priests were abusing children started out as a wild story, something that sounds like it should be on snopes.com—and it turned out to be true.

Also sounding like a wild story is the story Gustavo wrote the article about, the alleged purchase of the property in Garden Grove.

I know, reading is hard.

Guest
Guest

@d291f806fd813dea60f2070bb90ff256:disqus

No, Gustavo knows I'm white and proud of it. His point is pretty weird here though. Most skinheads aren't known for their devotion to the Catholic Church, quite the opposite as the Bishops are the biggest open-border guys around. No, the hardcore skins are into neo-paganism and Asatru. 

MariaL
MariaL

See how Gustavo takes a jab at white people..you could be Asian,or God forbid hispanic.Go to Hell,Gustavo.You have friends waiting for you there. 

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

I forget--are you the skinhead who is also a pedo-priest protector, or the one who claimed he knew abuse victims and twisted that into a rationale to hate minorities? The irrationality of y'all blends after a while, you know?

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