California DREAM Act Passes State Assembly

• bottom line.  we can't afford to foot the bill for all the suffering people of the world.  my AMERICAN family is suffering but i'm not asking canada's taxpayers to take care of me. such bs

• get your facts straight.  there is no provision in the law that says illegals will only get any "leftover" funding.  there is NO leftover funding.  it all went to esl classes.

• No, they are NOT American citizens and should NOT steal tax payer funded CalGrants  from the children of working Americans.  This would not even be a question in any other country in the world.  It is absurd to think that people who are in this country illegally, and therefore criminally, should be awarded with the same access to scholarship funds that true American students are.  Our public schools are already burdened with of an overpopulation of  "English learners" who eat up precious funding through remedial and ESL classes.  Enough!  Even if a few of them do rise above and qualify for scholarships, they will not be eligible to work in this country when they graduate anyway.  Basically, we will be funding their college education, after we have already supplied them with medical care and several other benefits, and then they will graduate and give nothing back to this country.  I am all for LEGAL immigration and think it enriches the fabric of this country, but this is ridiculous.  

• How's that Nightmare Act being funded? Vote for Rick Perry

• how are you not applicable for any scholarships?!? scholarships have nothing to do with how much money your family has, a millionaire can apply to scholarships and get them if he/she had the intellect to apply to one and win it, just like any other person that wants to go to college and actually goes out there and apply to scholarships. and if you are so smart and determinate to finish your career, then why worry about other people coming here, it seems to me that you don't want them to be legal because you think they are better than you in school, even though they are at a disadvantage. 

• This is a very bad idea in allowing illegal immigrants to funds.  First they have broken the law by entering the U.S. ILLEGALLY.  What's wrong with applying for citizenship or permanent Green Card and doing it LEGALLY?  I see others coming here legally, why can't you?  Any program in the U.S. should only be offered to folks who are in the U.S. LEGALLY.  Entering the U.S. illegally is still a crime just like selling illegal drugs to the public.  U.S. folks have given enough free stuff to those here illegally and as tax payers we continue to pay it.  No wonder U.S. is in so much debt.

• thank you yaknow you said it all baby.

• man fuckkk dumm bitchh!!! u aint shit i bet evn tho ur a citizen!!! im a bad bitch non like u ignorant piece of shitt

• you racist bitchhhh!

• You are one to talk! Your sentence structure is horrible, and apparently you don't where to place a comma.

• I'm glad we can help all ILLEGALS with our hard earn tax money. I'm planing to ask our congress and senate to create new bill that will remove the border with Mexico ( but keep it with Canada) and give full health, social security, and education benefit to any and all mexicans and people from south of mexico with same rights as us workers. The bill will be called "Friendship with our Mexico Neighbors."  This bill will help bond both countries and help Mexico  and their people all the rights as soon as they cross the border.  The bill will make asking their immigration status illegal and punishable by $10,000 per incident.

•  @88e25f898d730b0af9b46a8468350410:disqus - maybe not so but mexicans are most who get benefit from this nightmare act.  I'm sure you would not care since it will help your people.

•  yaknow, I believe there are enough legal students need help without worrying about illegals.  I'm sure great country of mexco can take care of their own without help of US, right?

• We cannot continue ignoring the larger forces that drive migration. People migrate to flee persecution, civil wars, natural disasters, or economic shifts in their home country. Historically, immigration policies in the U.S., such as the “Chinese Exclusion Act” of 1882 or “Operation Wetback” in 1954, have been explicitly biased against particular nationalities. For centuries, generations of immigrants have come to America in search of a better tomorrow. This is the land of opportunity, where every individual should have a chance to succeed by his or her own merit. The DREAM Act was crafted in that spirit. California should do the right thing, and pass the DREAM Act now.

• I hope the Dream Act fails!! I don't want to pay free money to criminals 

• For every Dream Act student, there are 10,000 vatos locos gangster types.

• Get ready everyone. I ready yesterd ay that the Dream Act is being introduced again in DC today.

• Free Money for Paisas!!

• Actually, these students just want to become legal so they they can to school, drive legally, and not have to worry about such things like that. If the Dream Act passes, then they will have to pay for their college education, out of their own pockets, just like any ordinary college student. If they get a scholarship then its wonderful for them because they earned it, as well as American students receive scholarship money all the time. Nothing is going to change just a piece a paper that says that they can actually go to college, and be here legally. They have lived here for years and attended school already, so why not college? So I don't know why you people make a big fuss about it because it will not affect you guys! It will also help the economy, imagine how many students will pay, lets say they charge about $500 per student, that's a lot of money that will help thrive the economy! Why are you so worried? they will not take anybody's job, there is already competition for jobs around here anyway! Go back to U.S. History and learn how you got to America, your ancestors were immigrants, did they have worry about being illegal or not having a chance to go to college? I don't think so!

• Hope you enjoy the upcoming, deep, deep cuts then. Eventually they'll start to hurt you too.

• good

• you just convinced me to vote against any tax extensions if you have time/money for this nonsense you will not get one more dime

• I have a dream that one day Mexico will take responsibility for its citizens and provide opportunity for them instead of physically kicking them across our borders. I have a dream that one day immigrants will respect our laws and procedures and choose to follow. I have a dream that immigrants will only have children when they can afford to pay for them. I have a dream that the 14th amendment will be correctly interpretted. I have a dream the the billions that illegals send home to mexico will be used to pay for their expenses and health insurance here in the U.S.. I have a dream that our own government will enforce immigration laws, stop harrassing Arizona, and have compassion for legal taxpaying citizens.

• 1) Go to shool and learn some grammar. 2) you are 1/2 right so go back to school and learn more. 3) you are making threats, which can be considered an act of terrorism, so go back to school again. 4) writing all uppercase is considered grotesque, and of very bad taste and a sign of ignorance, so go back to school. As you can see, so you may have a point, is better if you keep your mouth shut, you will defend yourself better that way, and please do come back in about 12 years once you are off high school.

• @MaryJay:disqus go smoke a blunt and shut the fuck up!! you ignorant stupid bitch!

• I'm sure that financial help is available to you. Fill out your FAFSA correctly and keep up with it. We have two kids in the California UC system and much to our surprise we did qualify for some aid. However, YOU have to fill out those forms. The aid offered to immigrant students is not provided by the state but comes from other sources. Good luck to you and ANY SERIOUS student.

• Funny How those law abiding Americans that you speak of, didn't give a shit about breaking laws when they stole the real natives land! Want to talk about some unfair shit, learn the history of this land. You think you're soo entitled to something that isn't even yours to begin with!

• SLS, You're full of shit, because i'm sure you are eligible for help. esp. if you really have a 3.8 GPA and if your parents are really struggling! Born and raised in Cali, I've received ALOT of help with school, being from a lower middle class family, if there is such a thing! And FYI, Mexicans are not the only immigrants here, last time i checked!!!!!!! Our country was built on immigration! You just want an excuse to be racist, poor you!

• You are not only illiterate, but also a poor excuse for a human being. Go back to school, learn how to spell and then try again to make comments on the internet! P.S. try to get up out of the trailer park and see the world!

• Why is it you continue to refer to migrants from Arkansas and Oklahoma? Many more immigrants that were German, Jewish, Polish, Dutch, Romani, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican just to name a few that had been doing the dangerous domestic work of working in industrial laundries, factories, and textile industries. The Pacific Railroads along with the majority of Railroad tracks were built on the blood, sweat and tears of Immigrants not Native Anglos.

• Un-sportsman-like aliens could work...

• I don't reason with illegal aliens or anchor babies. Talking to bricks is considered feebleminded. I wouldn'expose that type of behavior disorder if I were you. Dirt and water mashed together? I forgot, you're from Mexico. When reading this psychobabble, I saw an incessant anti-American poltroon who fell in love with his own reflection in the pool of urine he left on the floor, not realizing it was merely an image, you were not able to leave your own reflection. La Raza is easy to spot. Interjection without substantial colloquy confirms your attempt as derision. Vexation as dialog. Soliloquies that feign pretext have no validity, and are considered null and void. Reproach as dialog. Duly noted. Make certain your mom osculates you before getting tucked in tonight...

• @DubV There would be no guessing that English is a distant second language for you. You reveal the pretender constantly seeking approval from his illegal alien persuasions while attempting justification for breaking and entering.. Your psychobabble dissimulates to the group to be hyper-intelligent. This, surely, does not tell the whole story. Even those sympathetic to you have come to grips that you are more than likely sexually abused in your younger years, and as a man, you are not not all there. I believe its referred to as rapto in Mexico. Pay the victim $20, an apology, and all is forgotten. Reading your pretentious comments, I'd consider you glib, incurious and ill-informed. A phony pundit hero to the rent-a-mob. You lack intellectual depth, claiming that my intellect has been questioned as has my racial identity. It must be lonely at the top. It reminds me of when I was in Afghanistan and Iraq, opposing combatants would attempt to draw fire to reveal our positions. For them, it was always a losing proposition. The Fourteenth Amendment was originally ratified to protect freed slaves from the abrogation of his rights by the Southern states. Looking to protect the African American, the amendment made certain they were citizens and forced the federal government to be responsible for them. The Fourteenth Amendment also prohibited the States from denying or abridging the fundamental rights of citizens and required them to grant all persons equal protection and due process, especially those in the jurisdiction thereof were therefore citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside, not those who climb fences during the middle of the night. It overruled the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), and its Citizenship Clause, Due Process Clause, and Equal Protection Clause were added in 1868 as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. During the original debate over the amendment, Senator Howard of Michigan - the author of the Citizenship Clause - described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excluded (real) Native Americans who maintained their tribal ties and persons born in the United States who were foreigners, aliens, and those who belonged to families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. Ford Motor Co. and WalMart were not considered. Yes, we love us some immigrants, but we abhor illegal aliens. Was that you attempt to wax eloquently? Is La Raza watching? And on cue, the faded Red Neck card comes falling from your wallet filled with stolen IDs. You have no idea of my racial identity, and why is it that you always infer that whites are the only Americans who are against the deluge of illegal aliens? How can someone with an alleged medium level IQ have these kinds of intellectual deficiencies? Put another way, how can a so-labeled smart person act foolishly? I have grappled with this apparent incongruity for longer than you can imagine, and based on your capernoited reply, you do have quite an imagination. It actually applies to more people than you might think. However, there is nothing incongruous about it. Tests are good at measuring certain mental faculties, including logic, learning ability and working-memory capacity - how much information you can hold in your mind. But the tests fall down when it comes to measuring those abilities crucial to making good judgments in the real-world life you've lived. I just hope that you've used your true identity. You would not make the cut in my world. Guys like you are unable to assess things such as a person's ability to critically weigh up information, or whether an individual can override the intuitive cognitive biases that can lead us astray, or should we say, over a fence. You read right out of "Occupied America: A History of Chicanos." Which version are you using as reference? And while you're in your predictable state, let's imagine a comparable situation. Forty million Americans, okay, no one knows for sure, but there is a lot of them, to escape poverty and find work during the Great Depression, start their trek from the Dustbowl to Mexico. Illegally entering the country and squatting, they demand that Mexico provide them cash payments, subsidize their food, provide them free medical care, educate their children in English, teach them US history, and start celebrating US holidays. Suppose the Americans then began to commit crimes of assault, rape (and not the rape trees at the border), and murder at five times the rate of the Mexican citizens and that the American young started joining criminal gangs at twenty-five times the rate of Mexican kids. Suppose, then that 100,000 Americans joined in the burning and looting of the second largest city in Mexico, and millions marched under the Stars and Stripes to demand all the rights and privileges of Mexican citizens. Mexico would have sent its corrupt army to send these Americans packing back over the Rio Grande. Contrast this with America's cringing response when faced with a duty to defend our borders and citizens and remove intruders from our home. In our imaginary friendship you are a ninety-seven-pound weakling. In almost every opinion survey, majorities of Americans say they want to stop illegal immigration, even if it means troops on the Rio Grande and a barrier fence from Brownville to San Diego, and on to Hawaii if we could get it done. Consider the forces pushing reform of perfect laws while Mexico has the harshest immigration laws on the continent. Some of the corporations in America want an endless supply of cheap contraband labor, the freedom to hire foreign workers and bring them to the United States. The major media (with their Spanish sister stations), the Mexican government, La Raza, all Mexicans, the unions, the Catholic Church all favor amnesty. The Democratic Party sees in this torrential raining of illegal aliens, future voters who can end Republican hegemony, providing they can read. I surmise they could use pictures instead to follow the example of me encanta. The 26 million foreign-born already here want the guaranteed right to bring in every generation of their relatives. The survival of Hispanic media depends on a constant resupply of Spanish speakers. Reconquistas see the US as a relic of a forgettable past, except when bellyaching about stolen land Mexico claimed to own for 11 years, bilingual government as the future, and want to erase all borders, especially the one separating the US and Mexico. Liberalism and anchor baby loyalty to Mexico is the ideology of declination. Its ideas if left in its current condition, pursued to their logical end will prove fatal. Conservatives, beguiled by Mexicans in their gardens, have eaten of the forbidden fruit of liberal ideology and are about to discover E-coli. This is our country, we have a duty to speak the truth. It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilixation. Race, faith, ethnicity, and history leave genetic fingerprints no "proposition nation" can erase. Ignoring the truth, guys like me were sent to Baghdad to democratize Iraq, only to discover that Iraqis were Shiites, Turkomen, Christians, Kurds, and Sunnis, for whom religion, history, and tribe were all-too-important. They wish to be ruled by the majority only when and where they are the majority. Now does that particular statement sound familiar? Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith Matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing either. Multiculturalist ideologybe damned, this is what history teaches. This is why Europeans do not want Turks in the European Union. That is why Serbs will ever resent the loss of Kosovo to Albanians. They are Mexicans now. That is why Africa tribes still slaughter one another. That is why Israelis do not want a democratic state of Palestinians and Jews from the Jordan to the sea. That is why Muslims fight Christians in Indonesia, Nigeria, and Sudan, Buddhists in Thailand, Hindus in India, Jews in Palestine, Russians in the Caucasus. Ideology and ignorance of history led Woodrow Wilson to consign millions of Germans to alien rule, leading straight to the revanchism of Hitler's Third Reich. Did they know at Versailles that Germans would want their land and kinsmen back? It is fatal to ignore realities in race, religion, and history. In Rhodesia and South Africa, whites are attacked for reasons of race and history. It is suicide for Americans not to realize that Mexicans harbor a deep grievance against the US, Americans, especially white Americans, and nurture a nationalist belief that we robbed them of half of their country that they could not settle and feigned ownership from land grants that belonged illegitimately to Spain. Why would this country open the door to scores of tens of millions who harbor such beliefs deep in their psyche and revisionist history taught through racist hate studies? It is self-delusion to blind oneself to the ethnic chauvinism of Latin America, or the Han Chinese who stomp upon Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, Christians, and the Faithful of the Falun Gong as they move inexorably toward world power. We have awakened from the Panglossian fantasy that America will become the first universal nation and model for all mandkind, especially Mexicans. In our diversity is our strength, we are daily indoctrinated. But this is upside down logic. The Mexican plan would have us lose our country. When the Seventeenth Street levee broke and the waters of Lake Pontchartrain inundated New Orleans, the imperative was clear: Fix the levee. Stop the flood. Before cleanup could begin, before the refugees could return, the breach in the levee had to be closed so the lake waters ceased to drown the city. And so it with the America state of emergency regarding the flood of illegal aliens. The immiediate imperative is: Fix the border. Stop the flood. "America must not be overwhelmed," Sam Gompers wrote in his letter to Congress in support of the Immigration Act of 1924. Considering the obvious, this leaves your imagination as suspect. Would that be considered a wave of hate? Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn...

• As a college student myself, born and raised in California, I completely disagree with the passage of this bill. I am from a lower middle class family, and because I am of Western European descent I am not applicable for any scholarships or even financial aid. My parents can hardly afford to send me to school and as a citizen of the U.S. I could never dream to attend an out of state school due to tuition, despite a high 3.8 GPA. My country obviously values illegal immigrants more than hard working college students that are here legally and can barely scrape together enough change to attend college. But hey, I'm sure Mexico would do the same for us, right?

• @MaryJay, I have actually countered every semi logical position he has shot at me. He attempts to use OED vocabulary to sound off some regurgitated prolix. Just because he writes alot doesn't mean he doesn't write alot of non sense.

• Nativist Hate Mongering is racist? White devil is what People of Color called racist Anglos during the civil rights movement. Nice admission on the racism though you continue to NOT suprise me. Your like a captain punching holes in his own ship.

• MaryJay it is burdensome to try and enlighten you on the History of the Southwest. Unlike you it was my field of study- I didn't have to Wiki anything I have mentioned to you. I actually read dozens of books on the topic. Slavery comes in many forms. California outlaws Chattel slavery. Many Californios (Mexicans) did have orphans and Native wives but the kidnapping of squaws and children was a Triangular trade that was initiated by Anglos just like your European ancestors during the African Slaves trade. The Mexicans I speak of are the tenant farmers and hacienda workers who possessed a role similar to serfdom. Slavery is an ugly part of Human history in general- the Jewish people were enslaved by the Egyptians. The Romans enslaved people as they sought fit too. Before our time? I don't think so, and if you mean Anglo/European when using we then you are just a historical denier of all the atrocities Europeans have been involved with globally.

• BFD? You just stated you were alleged descended from them and they didn't take "free" stuff. You make an argument then you use facts I give you to make simplified matter of fact statements. Don't claim something and then play it off when you know you're wrong. No that is just the History of Higher Education; institutional racism is used when you can't lynch people or intimidate people outright. Usually Anglo use power structures to achieve their means. They implemented fees to prevent People of Color from accessing the university- similar to poll taxes and literacy exams used to keep Black Americans from voting in the Post Civil War. Professors make substantially less than any Republican "public servant" here behind the Orange Curtain. They also make substantially less than CEO's that have no particular skill except deception. The Public Officials I speak of are the council members of Water Districts, Municipalities, Law Enforcement and Public Safety that your fellow Elephants voted for not too long ago.

• No I am not. Read this reporthttp://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/01/huntington_beach_is_no_1_in_du.php. Not circumstantial, this ranking is based on the total amount of alcohol related incidents. No you just neutralized your argument unlike you I actually use facts.

• Actually Arkies and Okies is short for people from Arkansas and Oklahoma created by other non souther/rural Anglo folks. It is the term used by American Historians to describe these particular Anglo American migrant workers.

• What is your position or point of putting the most wanted lists of different counties, states, countries? Just because someone has a Spanish surname does not make them undocumented. No correlation no regression. The documents you posted are historical and come from an era where Anglo used Anglo dominated law enforcement agencies to infiltrate, terrorize, and divide Organization involved in the Civil Rights movement. There was a de facto war waged by Anglos against People of Color in the United States and these words represent the sentiment of the time.

• I'm not complaining about being in debt for 12 years: I'm PROUD of the fact that I paid my student loans off when so many others just default on them and stick the taxpayer with the loss. Maybe you don't understand that kind of pride because you come from a culture that's all take and no give? Also, not that you are capable of understanding the nuance, I didn't call her a "dirty little pig" I called her a "greedy little pig." for

• Okay hater. Well she Never said that she was a high school graduate. You need to read more carefully because obviously you can't seem to do that. Also, quit hating on her she hasn't done nothing wrong. It's not her fault that you were in debt for 12 years. That's something that will never happen to her because this law is for PRIVATE MONEY!! It's not coming from any federal money. People should be aloud to donate their money to who ever they want so stop with your stupid bullshit and stop bullying a teen by calling her a little dirty pig. Because what you are doing there is bullying and it's not right. I don't know your age but its obvious that you are an adult if it took you 12 years to pay your debt.

• MaryJay go ahead question me I really don't care(: continue with your life and move on. I have better things to do then read your ignorant racist post. Have a great ignorant life and I hope you never regret all this hatred.

• Looks like the California Dream Act is not going over very well with the pigeons--oops I mean, native-born, law-abiding, taxpaying American citizens: The Sacramento Bee: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2011/05/college-aid-illegal-immigrants-assembly.html San Jose Mercury News: http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_18000821 Pasadena Star News: http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_18003140 The only people in favor of it are, of course, the illegals, or the relatives of illegals, or brown nationalists congratulating themselves on the prospect of sucking a few more gringo tax dollars.

• I see you are a star graduate of Racial Grievances 101.

• Here you go, have a look at some of the "cushy jobs" our white forefathers did in California: http://www.life.com/gallery/23118/image/2665346#index/0 They didn't get "free" college educations either.

• Again reasoning with you is like talking to a brick. --- Because you can't follow what he is saying and can't argue back.

• "Don't cry for me Argentina" is a quote from a famous song. He was simply paraphrasing it, not saying that you were actually from Argentina. I realize that English is not your first language and maybe you are too young to remember "Evita" but still. . .it kinda makes me wonder how "smart" you really are.

• And for people like you Ignorant, Nativist, Hate Mongering White Devil works for me!!! lol ---- Nothing I have written here was as racist as that. Doesn't matter though, you can name call all you want--your racial grievance mongering has a short shelf-life.

• What achievements? She says she's a high school graduate and has never even heard of the American Civil War (apparently.) She can't write a coherent sentence or frame a coherent, logical thought. It's all just a rush of emotion that's code for "you must give me stuff."

• @So, no, I am not an open-borders libertarian, nor do I give a rat's about the Cato Institute.@c39f8d1ebc199e68bfc73382ecc5c368:disqus ---- Then why did you say you were a libertarian in the first place? And yes, many of the arguments you use can be found at Cato and Reason/Matt Welch, so it was not unreasonable for me to peg you as one of them. Me thinks you are in love with your own erudition and are not really used to having someone pick your arguments apart.

• Wow, you truly are a moron if you think libertarians are scum. Unlike your type, they actually use brains and logic, as opposed to your fear-mongering and general dumb-assery.---I said the open borders type of libertarian are scum, not all liberatarians. Love your use of brains and logic in your reply though. It takes so much to thought to name call.

• "Arkies and Okies" Theres that contempt again. -- It doesn't fit into their Racial Grievance 101 "education"--which is all they know nowadays. The idea of poor white people being abused and mistreated doesn't fit into the "white privilege" "narrative" so beloved of today's left-wing cultural warriors so it goes down the rabbit hole of memory.

• You don't know any history of my country at all. You posted as if slavery didn't end almost 150 years ago and as if you thought California was a slave state, which it never was. You clearly had no knowledge of the Dustbowl Okies--a major event in the history of this state you think you have the "right" to squat in. Here you go, stupid little girl: http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/lange/index.html

• "In Response to MaryJay Okies and the Arkies were educated for free. They went to public schools and were given substantial government aid specifically if they were from regions affected by the Dust bowl." --- BFD. They were Americans. --- "It is important to note that when Anglos made up the majority of the students at Cal States and UC's up until the 70's education was absolutely free; tuition is actually illegal in California and students are only required to pay fees not tuition. It was only post Civil Rights Movement Acts and Affirmative Action that the mainly Anglo population began to see some color hence the gatekeeping of student fees and standardized exams began." --- LOL, you must have a Master's Degree in racial grievance studies. Obviously they had to riase the fees to pay for all these fat professor's salaries and other public employee salaries that you were complaining about in another post.

• Bullshit. There was no slavery in California unless you are talking about how the Spanish missions enslaved the Indians and forced them to work on their farms. Before our time. California was admitted to the Union in 1850 as a free state and sent troops to fight on the Union side during the Civil War. Fact.

• Who makes the economy healthy? Again, you are talking as if "a healthy economy" is some kind of force of nature or Act of God. It isn't.

• Yes, this includes you MaryKay, MaryJay, whatever. I have a strong hunch that all of the undocumented students paying for their education are 100x's more intelligent and better versed than you could ever dream of being. Stop using them as a scapegoat for your miserable life, aspire to something greater. --- I don't use anyone as a "scapegoat" for my "miserable life." (Really not miserable at all.) I am angry at a clear injustice to native-born Americans and taxpayers. I have the right to express my opinions as much as you do. And the plain fact of the matter is, this is just a shakedown. You try to wrap it up in pretty-sounding terms but it's plain that this is just a case of demanding freebies and goodies that you are not entitled to.

• "Taxpayers don't subsidize cheap labor. Corporations get tax breaks and they are the largest employers of undocumented and migrant workers hence Monsanto the Agriculture giant here in California." -- Yes we do subsidize the cheap labor with all the handouts to illegals. The giveaways we provide to illegals act as a magnet for the cheap labor. Illegal immigration increased by a huge amount after the passage of Plyler vs. Doe which gave illegals the "right" to a taxpayer funded K-12 education at American taxpayers' expense. Four years after Plyler vs. Doe attracted millions of illegals, we gave them the Reagan amnesty that was promised to be a "one time only amnesty" by Teddy Kennedy.

• Even if that were true (you are also using circumstantial cases), the plain fact of the matter is, we don't need to import even MORE DUIs if we already have them here from the homegrown.

• @Raza Poster Boyo: "Wow, you truly are a moron if you think libertarians are scum. Unlike your type, they actually use brains and logic, as opposed to your fear-mongering and general dumb-assery."--Love those brains and logic that you show on full display with this post. Name-calling and bullshitting.

• They didn't leave halfway through the harvest season, you idiot. They stayed and worked. Okies were working in the fields into the SEVENTIES and I know because I WAS THERE.

• Wow, you truly are a moron if you think libertarians are scum. Unlike your type, they actually use brains and logic, as opposed to your fear-mongering and general dumb-assery.

• Well....I got $4000 dollars for school for free. I don't have to pay jack squat. Oh yeah, I am a bonofide U.S. citizen as well. So suck it haters.

• Exactly my point.

• I believe illegal college students should get their papers. Why? Why not? They are going to be productive members of society, so give them legal status. I do not agree on giving someone legal status that is not going to do something productive. College students, however, should get legal status.

• Didn't stop their fellow American citizens from using the same stereotypes they use against illegals, so what's your point?

• "Arkies and Okies" Theres that contempt again. At least these people were Americans and legal citizens of the United States which allows them the right to move anywhere they please inside it's borders.

• National Council of La Raza President Janet Murguia’s call for media outlets to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves “even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights.”http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/19/the-hate-speech-inquisition/ “Kill the Gringo”; Arizona Reconquista Ethnic Studies http://brianleesblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/kill-gringo-arizona-reconquista-ethnic.html 'Immigration Protests' Cover For Racist Ethnic Cleansing Movementhttp://www.bcrevolution.ca/mexican_invaders.htm U.S.-Mexico Pact Revealed: Billions to Non-citizens http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/1/4/174024.shtml?s=lh 11,000 anchor babies a year: http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp 1million jobs for illegals: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70J37P20110120 Fort Worth's most wanted: http://www.fortworthpd.com/docmgmt/ColdCaseOutstanding.pdf Los Angeles most wanted: http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted California most wanted: http://ag.ca.gov/wanted/mostwanted.php?fid=mostWantedFugitives_2010-02 Arizona's most wanted: http://www.azalmanac.com/ArizonasMostWantedGallery.htm

• What "free" college education? Private scholarship money is competitive. All AB 540 students pay fees out of pocket. Where are the receipts that show you paid for the thousands of AB540 students fees. They have them because they paid for it themselves.

• Illegals? Before who came? Anglo people crossed the border. For Mexican and Native People the border crossed us. Privatization of Land and Border gatekeeping is a European concept. Actually immigrants have always done the majority of domestic work. In the Antebellum South African Slaves and their descendants were given these tasks. The majority of the domestic workforce has a significant number of undocumented people. I don't see you Anglo folks cutting your own lawns, raising your own children, cleaning your own house, washing your own car, or making your own Jumbo Jack. Taking 12 million people out of the workforce is not good economic policy. Are you college educated? If you are not then it explains the ignorance if you are then you must read, read, and read.

• However; this particular bill does not but I do agree with the other bill as well. They pay into State Revenue with Student Fees paid out of pocket they should be allowed access to that money in the form of State Tuition assistance.

• @ stop the lies, Excluding Grants including Cal Grants ABC and the Pell Grant along with Subsidized and Unsubsidized Federal Loans AB 540 students are not priority when applying to PRIVATE scholarships. They have absolutely no access to Grants or Loans. You have a terrible imagination.

• Who will completely pull funding? AB 540 students pay their entire fees out of pocket. The California Dream Act would allow them to apply for Private scholarships. Nothing to do with CSU, CC, or UC fees. Working three jobs and maintaining 3.5 GPAs does not constitute looking for a Hand Out. Student Aid is supposed to be used for living expenses and AB 540 don't have access to Loans or Grants. Actually it has passed both houses since the Governator has been in office but Mr. Brown has said he would pass it! Huzaaa!

• PRIVATE scholarships are competitive if an AB 540 student wins then they have probably out-shown other applicants. Duh Actually it would also open them up to Permanent Resident not just "legal" citizens.

• Lol, South Park and drugs does a body good!

• You are displaying your advanced skills in civil debate. Along with vulgarity, homophobia, animal anatomy. Actually undocumented people have their cars towed and impounded almost daily. Free stuff? Where? Show me? Take photos or something that can hold up in court.

• Mexican-American soldiers have been the most decorated group when compared per capita. Every single conflict in the 21 century has had a variety of under represented people fight and die for the Empire of the United States. Your ignorance would offend even the most staunchly conservatives Veterans.

• I reject the nolo contendere. Your traducement is the motivation to rescind the fraud of our 14th Amendment. This is the direct result of phylum when obscured by overwhelming numbers of illegitimate people - which Americans want removed from this country despite the fact that it hurts your feelings. Just be laconic and precise during your rant please. The 14th Amendment had historically been circumvented by the Southern Dominated Democrat (conservative) Supreme Court to protect Corporations. The XIV was intended to protect the franchise for Black Americans. Actually most Americans including Corporate America (4th brance) love immigrants- your rhetoric is historically called Nativism and contemporarily called Red Meat for Red Necks. If by your statement you mean European/Anglo-Americans then you are only partly correct because there are actually a significant number of European/Anglo Americans that understand global politics and the ebb and work of resources and the direct relationship with human migration. Prejudice is a virtue when selecting fruit that is ripe and edible as opposed to rotten or infested. Discrimination and Racism; however; have never been virtuous. Diplomacy and Temperance are virtues but for every virtue there is an equal and opposite vice. Again stop being a novelist with your stories of the “real world”. I live in it and I have survived, thrived and now I am able to combat CaCaCeSoS like you! Exactly, just like the blood, sweat and tears of Black Americans and Indigenous People of this continent. Just like the Mexicans, Chinese, and countless other immigrants that have mined coal, laid down track, mined precious metals, and picked produce domestically along with the blood spilt by Europeans in North, Central, and South America to install U.S. trained Military dictators to rob the continent of sugar, cocoa, coffee, tobacoo, corn and other exports found post Columbian exchange. Unfortunately this is not a country where only White, Land Owning Males can vote, keep weapons, and own slaves. The Constitution is just a document that has been interpreted and misinterpreted by your Anglo American ancestors many times. The founders themselves raped enslaved Women and had many illegitimate children. If you are speaking of the Federal DREAM act it died in the Senate last year and will stay dormant until leaders that are logical, pratical, innovative and transformative will pass it to allow Highly Educated people here join the work force as opposed to paying for VISAS for expensive Highly trained Immigrants. The CALIFORNIA DREAM Act however; only pushes to have PRIVATE scholarships open to undocumented students. I am an American College Graduate and I will be attending Grad School in the Fall!! How exciting for me. Immigrants that come here “legally” are usually highly trained and do actually drive down professional wages. Legal Immigrants are rarely found in domestic, agricultural, retail, contract, sub-contract, or culinary professions. Most of them are Civil Engineers, Nurses, Doctors and Researchers. I do not identify as Hispanic so I am not sure of what point you are trying to make. Private Scholarships have nothing to do with Fast Food Services. In fact those are the rules of Capitalism. The lowest paid most efficient worker will always win out. You can’t have NAFTA and not expect Mexicans to follow the money that flows out of Mexico due to the exportation of raw and manufactured goods cause by Multinational Corporations. Drivers who drive without a license or violate any traffic law are not considered Illegal drivers. People that jaywalk are not considered illegal walkers. Your analogy of relating immigration POLICY to criminal law is apples to mangoes. If you step into any courtroom there are different sections for Traffic, Civil, Small Claims, Family and Criminal. Even for “lawbreakers” are not considered illegal people. Obviously you do not understand or want to acknowledge the role of immigration and migration and the direct link of population growth to the prosperity of the United States. People are not illegal and immigrants are only undocumented. Actually Correctional Facilities, Jails, and Prisons have been linked to various levels of inhumane treatment. Usually most convicted people did not have a fair trial or access to an Attorney that could actually help them. The links to crime have continually shown poverty is the root cause of low level crime. White Collar crime usually goes underreported and those criminals usually have the resources to draw out cases and negotiate more favorable sentencing. Your argument of kicking Anglos out is pretty far fetched. Prior to the Alamo and all those Mythic Western Nostalgic sentiment Mexico actually recruited Anglo settlers to move into Tejas and other parts of the Southwest. Actually Steve Austin, Davey Crockett and the like were the rabble rousers that planned the overthrow due to their intolerance to Catholicism and Mexicans. American Exceptionalism do you mean Philanthropic as in the Trail of Tears, Abduction and Genocide of Native People or Wounded Knee? There was no mounting concern- it was Anglo Americans attempting to successfully pressure the U.S. to invade and absorb Texas. You write it as if there were not factors, history, or direct causes to the illegal Mexico-U.S. War. You may say purchase all you like. It’s similar to Puerto Rico, Samoa and the Phillippines except the U.S. just full on coerced Mexico into selling with the threat of war. You’re not going to convince me that the Imperial Military of the U.S. had no influence on the selling of Mexican land. You stated facts about Arizona with no position- where were you going with this? The increase on raids in Northern Mexico by Native Tribes was due to retaliation and economic needs cause by U.S. encroachment on traditional Native territory. The English despised the Native people and Anglos continued the tradition. Again with your facts on Native, Mexican, and Anglo American relations have no position. The information you’re sharing I already know. . In 1870 those clauses pertaining to the pursuit of Native (Indian) people were stricken out. Natives were placed on reservations because Anglo Americans had deprived them of their territories. Stating history of the U.S. southwest is not a position. Even during your historical prolix you were more rational than when you went on a rant about Anchor Babies and American Haters. Americans don’t adapt- what’s your argument? Non English speaking immigrants all make concerted efforts to learning culture and the language. You’re not offending them your offending yourself. I just feel compelled to counter your weak arguments. Again with the cultural stereotyping- I thought Eugenics was long gone. No more WASP my friend. Actually because the U.S. had not traditional customs or beliefs as the English and Dutch Constitutional Monarchies they based much of the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights etc… on British documents and traditions that were rife with Imperial policy. Yes you are correct and many of those men and women were immigrants. Racism has always been a tool of White Power Anglo Americans. Immigration only became politicized when racism began to seep into public policy. Study immigration law and you will see this. No please tell me what you mean? Vague threats/promises mean nothing. People normally don’t have uprising or intifada because their countries are multilingual. You know the joke- if you speak three languages or more you multilingual, if you speak two you’re bilingual and if you speak only one then you are AMERICAN!! Lol Unforunately this is true too many of the times. The term Pocho/Pocha actually mocks U.S. Born Mexican-Americans because they don’t speak Spanish. Many Mexicans also do not speak Spanish there are many pockets of Native people that speak their own dialect of Nahuatl, Que’chua, Purapeche, or a variety of other languages. First “they” have a parasitic culture and then you are willing to help them as long as they are legal? Brown Skin is actually the shade of the majority of people living in the world. The exception are Western European/Anglo American folks but they too get “brown” skin but it comes from a tanning booth. Never once in my argument did I mention accents- I mentioned the rights of undocumented students to be able to work in the country where they put themselves through college without government “assistance”. There are plenty of Americans with accents. If you travel to the Miami, Dallas, New York, Boston, Los Angeles, and Salt Lake City you will be hard pressed to hear White Americans with uniform accents- you should also include Buffalo Creek. Human rights trump civic rights. Civil rights are what NON white folks had to fight for to have the SAME/EQUAL education and social standing as Anglos in the United States. This country, land and lifestyle has always been heterogenous. Europeans from all parts of Europe settled here but those waves were not as powerful as the waves from Mexico, China, Japan… etc If you believe I am a criminal you are mistaken. If you are accusing me I am a criminal you are a liar. Pledge, You mean in God We Trust or the Pledge of Allegiance. The pledge only added God during the Red Scare and McCarthyism prior to that there is no documentation of that. It should be under no denomination. As far as language no where in the constitution does it state is it illegal to speak a language other than English. Many “American” dishes like hamburgers and hot dogs originate from Scadinavian peoples? Bratwurst-Wienerschnitzel? Also if you look historically back pre-1776 there were a variety of religions here including Judaism, Muslim, Shamanism, and Native Spirituality. Leaving the country, state or county is a choice not a right because courts can restrict travel if you have been misbehaving. People of color founded this country on their backs while White people profitted and wages war on poor countries. If anybody is leaving especially in Orange County and especially in Anaheim it is those Anglo/White/European American folks. According to the most recent U.S. Census as reported on OC Weekly Asians up 120% and Latino/a up 80% in Anaheim. You will soon have to decide between Pho and Enchiladas!! Yummm. Your contradictions are very apparent and give off a weak sense of being apologistic after being so fanatical about undocumented people’s culture. You are also assuming too much on the demographics of undocumented students and people. Ronald Raegan actually decimated the welfare system. Before most people on welfare would have the ability to find jobs and education to stay off of welfare. The U.S. born beneficiaries of welfare often find that there are many restrictions and rules in professional and personal life if you receive aid. Just like homeless people at a shelter have to follow many rules so do TANF, WELFARE, and EBT recipients. Which criminals? Actually much of the money made in the U.S. is made by private exploitation of Mexicans resources streamlined through NAFTA. There is no logic behind the Anchor Baby scame. FAIR is lying to you. I don’t think Abraham Lincoln woud have liked the bastardization of his quote. How are undocumented students/people fooling you or attempting to fool you? History and numbers have consistently disproven the rhetoric you speak of. The myth making definitely comes from your end of the spectrum. Remember Ronald Raegan’s Star Wars campaign? Trickle Down Economics? The only good this he did was sign 1986 IRCA. Amnesty will happen soon again because that is the way that history is told. You are not dissenting against anything- you are actively using hateful and condescending language to simplify a complex international issue. Your use of vocabulary is unnecessary and bothersome. This is not a Shakespeare play. I should “thanks daily”. If stupidity was painful you would have died in agony a long time ago

• I'm sorry, cut my bleeding heart? Lol You poor poor suffering Anglos! Have tacos and enchiladas become your main dinner dish?

• There is no Reconquista, that was the Spanish on the Iberian Peninsula. The Spanish were not classified as white and were often ostracized due to the Black Legend; because much of Castillian, Aragonese, Sevillana Culture was integrated with Moslem Moors and Saphardic Jews. European find pleasure in exploitation but fortunately I do not and even when we vote all your representatives out of office here in Orange County we will not ostracize the U.S. or Foreign born European Americans regardless of your many talents and shortcomings.

• Thank you Mary Jane, I do not believe the Census Bureau used to include very many "Mexicans" in it so any numbers documented would be severely under reported and I highly doubt your 85% Anglo population.

• Let's celebrate with a toast and get lost in tonight, and make it all light up. Wait till the sun goes down we are going to make this b***h light up. Let's all BDS!!!!!!(;

• CH14 I congratulate you for your achievements and I hope that the law passes to help people like you. I wouldn't mind for my taxes to go towards your education. Don't listen to these hatred that have no life just hating on hard working student.

• Well at least I know more history of this country that isn't mine. Unlike you that has proven not to know. Wow there is other ways to get to the U.S. Coyotes aren't the only way there is legal ways to do things

• Again reasoning with you is like talking to a brick. Unyielding and nothing but dirt and water mashed together. Ethnicity is a real and living human experience; not a cult. A cult is usually the first stages of establishing a new form of spiritual following. Americans work hard and earn their living- that is what most undocumented folks do. If anything Corporate American which is owned and ran by mostly Anglo Americans is the one who cheats America. American does not mean Anglo. Mexico and Canada are integral parts of North America. If it wasn't for the exploitation of Mexico's natural and human resources they wouldn't continue being a developing nation- haven't you studies Globalization and the creation of the 3rd World; if you haven't then just don't say anything with so called depressed wages domestically and abroad. Most researchers that use statistics can cite their sources which you don't do. That is called PLAGIARISM and THAT is cheating. Along with citing the source of that data you should also include who funded the research, who were the professors involved and the methodology involved.

• And for people like you Ignorant, Nativist, Hate Mongering White Devil works for me!!! lol

• So are all the Europeans that stole land, raped women, and killed buffalo and everything other aspect of traditional native life here on the Bronze continent. The Caucus mountains and Europe are on the other side of the Atlantic little buddy.

• PRIVATE scholarship money is not supported by Tax payers. In California only CAL grants and the Federal Pell grant are taxpayer funded. Get the facts right MaryJay- you must be related to Davenport of Fullerton wouldn't surprise due to the lack of intellect and reason.

• Not abused, we are not a victimizing people and neither a self victimizing people. So called Anchor Babies do not exist. Once again your rhetoric is illogical and irrational. Undocumented people do not have access to any of the services you have mentioned. Actually most undocumented people receive care at free clinics established by Philanthropic doctors, nurses, and organizations. Actually ALL children receive a free education and medicare ( if applied for). However if a parent/guardian/relative/roommate is undocumented and residing in the same household benefits are suspended for U.S. born children of immigrants. A person requesting *residency for a parent has to wait until they are 18 years of age and the parent is required to leave the U.S. for a given period of time. After this is done a person must have residency from 3 to 5 years before they can apply for citizenship. If you understood how migrant workers ebb back and forth to their country of origin examine the Great Migration of Western and Central Europe. Many Italians migrated to South American for months and were called swallows. Most migrant workers return to their country because it is their mother country.

• Wow your just ignorant for your post. Undocumented people or AB540 students can't apply for fiancial aid or cal grants, and even if the law passed we still won't be able to get financial aid. I'm surprised you didn't get financial aid. I know that cal grants you need to have a good gpa or something like that but for the most part you should of been able to get loans. Also, for the record you get pay more most undocumented people get pay $11 at the most so don't complain. Jut sayin

• Nobody is asking for a free ride! At least I'm not. Also, if it took you 12 years to pay off your debt well I guess you weren't lucky or maybe bright enough to win scholarships. And for the other comment yes there is universities in Mexico which I have consider. Also, I never called anyone illegal aliens because I don't like that term because we are no aliens. We are human beings just like anyone else and why do people seem to believe that Mexicans are the only undocumented people? When there is more races? Also who am I exploiting universities? I applied to universities like everyone else and competed equally with citizens. I got accepted and many citizens didn't but it's not my fault that my application was better than theirs. I wasn't part o the committee they choose me because of what I have achieved. Also, MaryJay for once I agree with one of your points. Yes the California educational system is in bad shape. Unlike you I know why the educational system is failing. It's because most of the money is being used for the war in Iraq. They use this money to save America from terrorist attacks but kill thousands of innocent people. You can look up what I'm telling you because I debated the war in Iraq. You will see how much money is bein thrown away. Also, research the taxes because we do have to pay. So look it up and inform yourself(: hahaha you make me laugh but anyways my parents aren't criminals but that's just the way I see it. So next time when your at a grocery store buying vegetables and fruits think of the people who cultivated these products. Mostlikely you won't see any African Americans or an American working on the field picking up strawberries under the burning sun. But if you walk down the streets you will see many lazy Americans with signs like "I haven't eaten in weeks" "no money anything helps" begging for spare change. I have been approached by the homeless people and it makes me angry because they are young but they decide to begg from these undocumented people that are working. Anyways thanks for your hardcore criticism becauseyou're only making me stronger. Once again please don't call undocumented people aliens because it's not right.

• A human being has a right to work a livable wage. These "taxpayer freebies" are stuck somewhere in your brain and unfortunately regardless of all the facts you will continue to see what you see and use rhetoric. Very similar to a kind of repeating Schizophrenia, and if you haven't looked at the data Anglo will become a minority relatively soon in Cali and especially in Anaheim!! Yeay! No more closet Republicans running a brown town.

• In Response to MaryJay Okies and the Arkies were educated for free. They went to public schools and were given substantial government aid specifically if they were from regions affected by the Dust bowl. It is important to note that when Anglos made up the majority of the students at Cal States and UC's up until the 70's education was absolutely free; tuition is actually illegal in California and students are only required to pay fees not tuition. It was only post Civil Rights Movement Acts and Affirmative Action that the mainly Anglo population began to see some color hence the gatekeeping of student fees and standardized exams began.

• It's cause you make 14$ an hour. Most undocumented workers work at 4 to 6 dollars an hours or if they work for restaurants or contract labor they receive minimum wage, with no medical, and no pension. Unlike OC Public Officials who can retire at 50 and keep 90% of their salary as pension. Hmmmm It's not difficult to understand which of the two actually strains the economy and the budget.

• Actually California was a de facto slave state. As you should know the law can and has been circumvented to benefit whoever has the current control. Many Anglo American settlers would kidnaps the wives of Native Americans along with Native American children especially in the Southwestern States including Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Tejas. These stolen wives were called squaws and Anglo Americans that squatted on Mexican controlled land were called Homesteaders or Settlers but in reality they were "foreign lawbreakers" that ignored the law and did as they pleased. There are no instances of undocumented people going to an affluent Anglo home squatting and then kicking out the Anglos- hasn't happened and will probably not happen.

• Jobs appear when the economy is healthy and the deficit is manageable. Please clarify on who these "people" are because if you are speaking of Multi National companies their bottom line is profit not the creation of U.S. jobs or the improvement of U.S. Domestic economic policy. East Los Angeles has a historically vital economy built from the ground up- this myth of people who create jobs sounds to have no factual basis or logical argument. I'm also an American except I only object to irrational, illogical, and ignorant comments based on rhetoric and here say rather than reliably collected data based on double blind objective controls. There are no handouts- PRIVATE scholarships are usually highly competitive and are only awarded to the most distinguished students. It speaks volumes of the dedication undocumented students undertake in school, work, and in life. Pulling oneself up from the bootstrap through education is NOT a handout- repeat NOT a handout.

• Taxpayers don't subsidize cheap labor. Corporations get tax breaks and they are the largest employers of undocumented and migrant workers hence Monsanto the Agriculture giant here in California. Which native income goes down? In San Francisco they are an immigrant friendly city and have the highest minimum wage in California according to the most recent information. Also if you want to analyze economic situations the U.S. owes more debt to China than anything-not Mexico. That is a policy that would actually help improve the economy and work to eliminate the deficit.

• Using one case is circumstantial and certainly does not illustrate the behavior of most undocumented people. Most DUI's happen in Huntington Beach and the majority are "law abiding" drunk Anglo American Bro Dudes.

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