Pastor Terry Jones Brings Koran-Burning Fury to OC

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Controversial Florida Pastor Terry Jones, who was blamed for unrest in Afghanistan after publicly burning the Koran, was in Santa Ana today.

The Gainesville, Fla., preacher reportedly arrived last night to take part in today's taping of a segment on Truth TV, an Arabic-language Christian network.

Due to security concerns, the program was reportedly recorded away from the network's Santa Ana studio.

On March 20, Jones led his church in a mock trial of Islamic prophet Muhammad before exacting punishment: torching the Koran. Jones said he wanted to draw attention to radical Islam. He certainly got the attention of radical Islam as about 20 people, including seven United Nations workers, were killed in rioting in Afghanistan that followed preacher's stunt..

Arriving at LAX last night, Jones told Fox11 News that he has received 400 death threats and a "reward out on my head for $2.4 million" from Hezbollah.

Santa Ana police were warned of Jones' visit, but the agency reportedly employed no special tactics for the pastor, who plans to leave California for Dearborn, Mich., and a demonstration outside the nation's largest mosque.


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sirlancelot
sirlancelot

I meant start answering them or we have no one to have a discussion with.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Hey American... come on. I have posted a lot to your comments and you aren't answering them - start getting Brother in Arms.

An American
An American

RE: lanceWho are we to judge?

How can we not judge people. If I walk up to you and punch you in the face are you gunna say,'thats ok I won't judge you' or will you say 'you bastart you hit me' and hit me back or at least avoid me from then on. If your neighbor brakes into your house at night and kills everyone in your family exept you would you judge them then or just say 'oh can't judge them lets just live and let live' til they do it again. We as a society must judge people for their actions and hold them accountable. Thats why we have judges and a system in place to bring people to the judges to be judged and to deal with them as the judge decides. It is the responsability and the duty of a peace loving society to judge the actions of people. You and I have a right to live in a society where our children can play outside without being killed by some freak who hurts children. Don't you choose your friends by judging the quality of their character? If we didn't judge people then no one would be safe. Can you imagine a world where no one was judged for what they did. Where child molesters, rapists and murders were not judged? It would be a world you and I do not want to live in.

So who are we to Judge? We have to judge. What would we be if we didn't?

An American
An American

1. Why is islam the only 'religion' that is able to produce such a steady supply of suicide bombers?

An American
An American

RE: Fsirlancelot & Muslima

I want to thank you both for checking back and keeping the dialogue going. I really appreciate hearing different points of view and I was not trying to be insulting or rude to anyone. Just trying to express my opinon and get some feed back. I don't know any muslims personally so I have no other opportunities for conversations like this. I know religion can be a touchy subject. Oh and by the way, I am not a Christian so I'm not taking sides. I am actually more atheist than anything. I have always seen religion as a sign of weakness and I feel sorry for people who believe that they are not the captain of their own destiny. I guess religious people may not understand that. But what I was trying to say is our supreme court has ruled that the free flow of ideas is vital to the health of our nation just as conversations like this are vital to my understanding other people. Unders islamic rule I would not be having this conversation with you because I would have already broken the law and I prefer free speech.

freeMuslim
freeMuslim

so now i have to fire ur bible???to make u happey???

An American
An American

Islam presents itself as a religion but its goal is to rule this world. Jihad. A holy war. The destruction of the seperation of church and state. The end of free speach and the implementation of sharia law in western countries.

It is one of the injunctions of the koran that muslims must fight to spread islam.

Islam is not a religion. It is a violent political ideology.

It demands your respect but it has no respect for you.

An American
An American

If we should respect the Quran because not doing so causes Muslims to get angry and kill, then here are the other things we should stop doing: Educating women. Selling alcohol. Extra-marital sex. Sharing a non-Muslim religious faith. Democracy. Disaster relief. Sporting events. Allowing women to dress as they please. Being gay. Being Hindu. Being Christian. Being Jewish. Being Buddhist. Being Sikh. Being Ahmadi. Being Sufi. Going to the wrong mosque...

Copied and pasted from:

Click on my name to learn more about the so called 'religion of peace'

Muslima
Muslima

American,I cannot even get thru the first sentence of your ramble without commenting. I think your spelling is atrocious, and if you can't even spell simple curse words, then you have no business posting on a blog. I recommend spell check, and FYI that red line under your word, is trying to tell you that you are spelling it wrong. IF you want someone to listen to what you have to say, and you want to be respected, try spelling correctly. Otherwise, you are making yourself look like an uneducated bigot.

Muslima
Muslima

OK, so then you are the judge, jury and executioner? NO you are not. That's why we have a judicial system in this country, and the reason judges have EDUCATIONS. And, BTW, the vast majority of criminal cases are heard before a jury of the defendant's peers. Very rarely do defendant's opt for trial before just a judge, although it is an their legal right to have one. Nobody says not to judge your friends by their character! What has been said to you, by myself (repeatedly) is to not judge a religion that you (by your own admission) know nothing about.I think you need a lesson in similes again...nobody said that this country should not judge people who do wrong things. All that has been said over and over to you, is to not judge over a billion people for the actions of a few. I for one, am tired of repeating myself to you and you not comprehending.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

American... I am talking morally - Hypothetically speaking... now what you are doing up there - punching me in the face and killing my family - different story. I am going to kick your ass - if you broken into my house to kill my family - I am going to kill you / be killed by you - I have no choice in the matter.

You have come straight up to me - you have invaded my home - you have invaded my person.

NO American - don't try to justify what you are doing. You are hurting people whom you know nothing about only HEARSAY - re the Quran and its teachings! You are taking a group of people and tarring every single person in that group with the same brush - irrespective of the fact that it is just a small group of people doing these atrocities. You are elevating and honouring a man who did vile things to their religion - and you are trying to justify what he did because of the repercussions to his actions. How did those people harm him? And to top it all - he is not satisfied at the carnage he caused he now wants to take it a step further and put their Prophet on trial too - Note he is also doing all these things in Lent - when we have to reflect on the Passion of Christ.

Ahhhhhhhh American... P E A C E! What was PEACEFUL about what Jones did? Now... Jones should be held accountable for what he did - in a court of law he is an accomplice to murder. He INCITED those people to get so angry that they committed carnage. What Jones did was IMMORAL.

Yes, we DO have a right to live in peace - but what Jones did was immoral and far from peaceful - he KNEW the repercussions of his action. In fact - if you go and read my posts in one of them I have noted that a Group of Christian people tried to talk him out of it - he lied to them and said he would not continue - he told them too that he KNEW there were going to be repercussions to his actions and he went straight ahead and did it. There were no extenuating circumstances - it was all planned and thought out carefully. It was PREMEDITATED.

American - where are those people coming to harrass you outside your home, where are they coming up to you and beating you, where are they coming into your home and murdering you? On the other hand... you have gone to their homes and murdered them. You have gone to their country and raped and killed their women and children. You locked them up in jail, stripped them naked - even brought in dogs to fornicate with them - and you call yourselves CIVILISED - I think not! You have done all the things to them that you are accusing them of doing to you.

Now... do not come back to me with your 9/11 - What you seem to forget is that a lot of Moslem people died in that carnage. Innocent people whose only crime was being at the wrong place at the wrong time. One Islamic man who was about 20 or 24 - was there volunteering and helping those that were hurt. He went MIA. No one could find him and he was then accused of being part of the terrorists - only for his remains to be found about a week later, I think it was. Those who committed this vile act have been arrested - others died for the part they played in it. Now Osama... wasn't even there was he? If he was pulling the strings from a distance and caused all that carnage - what do you think Jones has done. No one can place Osama at the scene of the crime - yet he has taken responsibility for that carnage. Do you even see any vague correlations over here?

As you know there are different stories about 9.11. But irrespective of all that - lives were lost. Many a child, husband, wife and mother were hurt and left with broken homes and hearts and orphaned by the actions of a murderous bunch of people who wanted to inflict pain and suffering on others.

You have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt - until they let you down - but not if they have murdered, raped, molested and you KNOW that they did the act. Even in a court of law - you are innocent until proven guilty. Your analogy is a far cry from good one American.

You have got two scenarios going here...

1. You have religious people in their countries going around minding their own business. You have an immoral person who has gone out there - publicised the fact that that he burnt their Quran (their Holy Book), because he is an attention / media seeking whore and you, in your own mind want to justify what he did to these people. a) What those people did (The Rioters)... not only will they be judged in their country, in their court of law but they also have to stand in front of the Almighty and be judged on reckoning day for what they did. They broke one of the 10 Commandments of "Thou shalt not kill" - they broke the Commandment of "Love thy neighbour" as God loves us. b) In his planning and premeditation - did Jones take USA soldiers into consideration? Did he take those mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters feelings and anxieties into consideration who have loved ones out there? Right on this very board we have a loving and caring Mother whose son is out there in Afghanistan. What is her son's crime? Doing his duty for his country... his life and those of his associates have been placed in danger because of the actions of a media attention seeking whore and you want to sit there and absolve Jones and justify his actions as the two of you have such warped ideologies.

2. We are already living in a world we do not want to live in American. You don't even have to leave home to know that murder, rape and child molestation is going on outside.

You have misconstrued what I have said below - taken it and made it work for you - not unlike what Jones did.

Crime has to be punished but so too has enticing to violence and murder have to be punished.

In THIS instance - IT IS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO JUDGE!

Muslima
Muslima

Oh, I forgot one thing...Japanese Kamikaze pilots...Japan is mostly Shinto and Buddhist...Suicide bombers that are not Muslims!

Muslima
Muslima

Perhaps because being raised as a Muslim means that you devote your life to your religion at all times. As I stated before, Islam is a way of life. When you pray 5 times a day and you govern your actions by your religion, it is always in your mind.I do not agree with or condone suicide bombers. These people believe in a literal translation of the Quran, which is not appropriate in today's society. They are extremists, and they are the exception to the rule.What they believe and what they do is not typical of Muslims. Most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, where most people get good educations. Most of the terrorists did not have college educations. I am not making excuses for them, just trying to understand the motivation. Perhaps they wanted their 15 minutes of fame, just like Pastor Jones??????BTW, do you realize that our country allowed 16 of the 19 9/11 terrorists into our country, despite them having issues with their passports? Do you know that a lot of the pilots learned to fly the planes in Florida? Do you know that our country trained some of them at our officer training school? Do you know that the US was warned about 9/11 and didn't take it seriously?I do not know what else to say to you about why so many Muslim suicide bombers except that maybe they believe that what they are doing is worth dying for. Maybe you could ask Terry Jones if he believes that what he did was worth dying for?

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Well, how many Christian martyrs do you know? I would think that Islam has a number of people whom are willing to lay down their lives for their religion. That is the only way in which I know of answering that. Perhaps Muslima has a better answer to that.

In bygone years, we had a lot of Martyrs who laid down their lives for their religion. I don't know about other religions but I know there were quite a few Priests who laid down their lives and died for believing in God. Actually, maybe you do, or maybe you don't know about the Rapture and the mark - as predicted in the Bible - then perhaps we will be able to stand up and be counted.

Muslima
Muslima

Oh, but American, I am the captain of my destiny! I have a choice, on whether to abide by my religion or not. I am in charge of myself,nobody else, and I make my own decision to follow Islam. I cannot stress this to you enough....Islam is a way of life, and nobody makes my decisions for me or tells me what to do.On the contrary, religion is not a weakness but a strength! I don't know anyone who is a Muslim who cannot speak freely, including my friends who live in the middle east!Please tell me what you mean by Islamic Rule...I am confused. Are you referring to the Shariah court, or to Islam ruling our country.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

NP American. When it comes to religion people reach an impasse. But... on the subject of Atheists, I truly believe that there will be a lot of Atheists and Agnostics in Heaven and a lot of Bishops, Popes, Reverends and Pastors in hell. :)

Free speech is good American, if we can learn from each other and not hurt each other. So many atrocities are carried out in the name of free speech as we have been privvy to.

I love so many things about Islam and also Jehovah's Witnesses too - as I have posted to Muslima on one of her replies - please try and read it and see how many good things there are about Islam and some of its people. Every religion has its faults, we just need to take what we need from them and work with them to make ourselves better human beings.

I have continuous disagreements with my one friend's because of his lack of tolerance for other religions - everyone is wrong excepting for him. At the end of the day... whom are WE to JUDGE.

A story we were once told... All hypothetical.

A man, with a very very sick wife who had cancer. He had no money and desperately needed medication for her. He couldn't get it - went and begged at the Pharmacy but they wouldn't give it to him. Later that night he went and broke into the Pharmacy and got the medication his wife needed. He was arrested. Should he be punished.

We could not give our answers straight away - but were sent home to reflect on it.

There were pro and cons. The love of the man for his wife, her sickness and that she desperately needed that medication, but also him breaking the law... after much debating and giving our verdict - we got the answer from the Nun that told us that story...

"Whom are we to judge".

Nice chatting with you.

Muslima
Muslima

Nothing will make him happy, please show some restraint. He is ignorant to Islam...please read the previous posts and do not stoop to his level.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Don't come and pretend to be Muslim in order to cause drama on here - we have enough drama kings causing that. BTW A TRUE MOSLEM PERSON will NEVER DEFILE THE BIBLE LIKE WE HAVE DEFILED THEIR QURAN - SO YOU ARE NOT MOSLEM!!!

Muslima
Muslima

Please do your research before you type! Jihad does not mean "Holy war". Because of people like you, this misconception continues.Jihad is a religious duty for Muslims. As a noun it means "struggle". Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle to defend Islam.

In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war". Scholars of Islamic studies often stress that these words are not synonymous. (Synonymous = Synonym. Please refer to Sirlancelot's definition of that in this thread.)

Nobody is demanding anything from you....especially not a Muslim. Let me ask you, do you follow your bible literally? Please consider the fact that both books were written in very different times than now. Perhaps what was "normal" 1500 years ago is not the norm now?Nobody wants to rule the world. Muslim countries would like our country (yes my country too) to stay out of their business and out of their country. Who are we to try and push our way of life on people who do not want it?The US involvement in the middle east for example. I do not see the US in places where people are starving to death i.e. Haiti, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Cambodia, but yet they are all over the middle east in the name of ?Democracy?HA, the word should be OIL. If there is OIL then the US gets involved...no OIL no help. PLEASE open your mind and see it for what it is!

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Hey American, I think it is a good thing that Muslim women are covered up or you would LUST after them - (their women are known to be amongst the most beautiful women in the world) and that would be Adultery, right? Aren't men ruled by their genitalia? BTW - you also didn't know that there are MODERN Muslim women too, did you. The only thing is they do not expose their breasts or shoulders - these are covered. I would call that dressing respectably - maybe you don't know much about that. What do you know about Muslim women not being EDUCATED. I don't think you moved out of your safe-haven or been anywhere else in the world as you speak out of ignorance. A lot of Muslim women are highly educated and respected in the outside world. A lot of them are Doctors, Lawyers, etc. and don't sit on the internet having altercations with the likes of you. Oh, BTW you forgot dancing, Muslims are not allowed to dance too. Once again, your ignorance is showing Sufism is a branch of Islam.

As for being CHRISTIAN, go and look at the document in St. Catherine's in the Sinai Desert. There is a document there written by the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Do you know that the Muslims revere Jesus - If they mention his name, they will say (Peace Be Upon Him). They have never, not once, not anywhere that I have ever seen defiled Jesus as we have done to their Prophet. They have more respect for him that what we do. I have never seen or heard of of a Muslim burning a Bible. I have never heard of them defiling Our Lady (Mother Mary) - in fact they know whom she is and call her "Miriam", Joseph is Yusuf. (Correct me if I am wrong Muslima).

Now, let's go to CLEANLINESS. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE BIBLE - I am just trying to educate you as you are so ignorant of so many things. Men in general, and I am not saying Christian mean alone, this includes ALL MEN not Muslims are far from clean. Muslims are far cleaner than any of you are. You walk around with urination on your person. A Muslim man / woman / child have to clean themselves with water / wet wipes / whatever. They have no sign of any bodily functions on them. Every time they go to the cloakroom / toilet / bathroom, they clean / wash themselves off with water - removing any remnants of bodily function. Men in general just drip or shake dry. A lot of them pray 5 times a day. Before praying, they wash the dirt off themselves with water (this includes their faces, arms, hands, feet, etc.) - none of us wash ourselves off before praying do we? Men have no hair on their body - pubic as well as underarm hair. If they have beards they have to trim them and continue to do so. If they shave - they are to continue doing so. Their women, if they are menstruating are not allowed to go near food or pray as they are seen as unclean. I believe this latter part is true too of Jewish women - I stand corrected if I am not. Whereas our women cook, etc. and we eat this food.

Reason I am telling you all of this, is because I have heard the likes of YOU saying how dirty they are and how they have an offensive odour. My answer to that. I would much rather be with them than someone that has no concept of cleanliness. Perhaps you should practice some of their everyday rituals and you too, will be a better, if not CLEANER person.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

American, you wonderful Christian - you are doing so well spreading all your hatred here. Could be a good thing, means you are leaving the people alone in your real life. Well done - how proud you must be of your Christianity huh? This is present right?

Muslima
Muslima

So its all about extramarital sex (BTW this is how you spell it), Alcohol and being gay....Because as far as I know about Islam the rest of your ramblings are common practices. Since 4% of the world is gay, I think there are also some gay Muslims.And, who are you to push your way of life on a religion that does not want it?I don't see any Muslims on here tell you to stop drinking and having sex with women you're not married to.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Muslima isn't here yet, so I am going to take the opportunity of giving you my thoughts on the above...

American, at that stage, I believe their wives, sisters and children had been raped and murdered - right? Atrocities were carried out against them. Cutting off of heads, I thought was barbaric and I make no excuses for them. Cutting off their heads in public was even more barbaric and cutting off the heads of innocent people was even worse. I am not making excuses for them - and anyone who could do such a thing and live with himself - to me, is evil incarnate. But at the same token, take at look at the Bible, heads were severed, people were stoned, Mary Magdalen was stoned too and Jesus saved her.

Stoning too is barbaric and I have seen two movies with stoning - the one is The Stoning of Suraya (someone or other) and the other stoning was of an Islamic Princess.

Why would you think that you were being a decent human being by meeting a Moslem and treating him with respect. Do you not know that all religions have one goal? No matter what name we give to him - he is God. The one God Almighty. Maker of heaven and earth.

Would you look for an excuse and reason in other people whom you meet to not treat them as human beings?

If someone makes you mad, why would you want to kill their family - I honestly don't think you would have such a short fuse - but I have been known to expect far more of peole than what they are capable of. I know you are now speaking hypothetically.

The anger of the Afghans and Moslems in general is because of the defilement of their Holy Book. These people hold their Holy Book and their Prophet in very very high esteem. Unlike us Christians. People have defiled our God, accused him of being married, accused him of all the atrocities going on in this world, they have defiled our Holy Bible and we have just shrugged our shoulders, turned our backs and walked away.

American, even I am guilty of that... I remember being a teenager and an angry one at that. One day I removed all our Christian relics, like a framed picture I had received when I was about 5 / 6 for reciting all the books of the Old and New Testatments, and tearing it up. I removed a crucifix and broke it. But our God, being the loving God he is - forgave me and once I went back to him - to Church everything started coming right for me. He made me go back the only way he knew how - by allowing all those things to go wrong in my life.

I think you are wrong with regard to them being anti American that day... they all went peacefully to the Mosque, which they do on a Friday at midday. It was there that the Imam told them about the burning of the Quran and told them to do something about it - that is what started it all. Up until such time they were unaware of it or it would have taken place sooner - I would think.

Now, as for being there... some of us see it as helping them, some see it as invasion. America was there trying to help them - perhaps America should have just left them to their own devices. Wasn't it there too (and I stand corrected), that their wives, mothers, children were raped and then killed? It could have been another Islamic Country but I know that that took place. Sometimes we do things with good intentions and it backfires on us.

I am busy reading about Maitreya now... I just finished reading how he has found a correlation between ALL religions and says they all have one goal. I read about him initially but just scanned the pages and wasn't impressed as I had heard a lot of second handed opinions so now, I am doing my own research on him. You may find his interesting... Let me post his link... I have just finished reading "Who is M" M for Maitreya - who means the Compassionate one.

http://www.maitreya.org/FILES/...

Now rumour has it that he is saying that he is God and that Jesus is his disciple... I have not reached anything like that yet - so there is hope. I believe too that he is healed people and animals - not sure but believe he may have raised the death too. I vaguely recall hearing something like that.

But he is for another day... Peace be with you.

An American
An American

I'm comprehending. I meant judging the people who cut off innocent heads bacause they are angry about some pyromaniac 10000 miles away and shifting the blame (the original article) I didn't mean we should judge someone based on religion alone. If I met a Muslim today I would treat him as a friend until he gave me reason not to.

If you do something that makes me mad and I kill your family out of anger it would be YOUR own fault for spreading your anger and hate to me and making mad enough to act that way. Of course I don't believe that but if you can really blame the deaths in Afganistan on the pastor instead of the murders than what I just said must be equally true.

Also reading some other articles I found that there was an air of anti american sentiment in the mob that day and I believe that 10 years of US military occupation was more motivation for the killings and the book burning was more like the straw that broke the camels back.

You guys posted alot above and I just noticed that I missed some so I'm going to go back and read it all before posting again. Thanks for the info, its pretty interesting so far.

Muslima
Muslima

In reference to bin laden...Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, or KSM for short, and who our OWN 9/11 commission says was the principal mastermind of the attacks, is sitting in Guantanamo Bay prison. He is probably being water boarded at this very moment. this is referred to as "torture" by the UN, yet our county (a member of the UN) does it anyway. Our country doing what we do not want done to US citizens who are political prisoners in other countries!They have had him for 8 years now, and he has confessed to many things, including planning 9/11. Yet, we are still in Afghanistan, looking for bin laden, who I think has been gone from there since before 9/11. I suspect bin laden has shaved and is now having cocktails on South Beach. We have the planner, the mastermind, for 8 long years. He has confessed. Why are we still in Afghanistan then? Perhaps, if we were not still there, the citizens may not have acted as they did in response to Mr. Jones. Yes, Lance, Mr. Jones is responsible. He had not right to do what he did, and the only reason he did it was to incite people who are already at the end of their rope.

An American
An American

Devotion to their religion isn't enough. There are thousands or millions of buddist monks who devote every waking hour of their life to their religion but would never suicide bomb for Buddha. The Omish are so devoted that they live their lives seperated from the rest of the world, but don't hurt others. I haven't seen any Jewish suicide bombers and I know they are just as devoted to their faith. Or even Christian suicide bombers for that matter who do it for jesus. If you can come up with one from a faith other than islam, that would be the exception to the rule but with Islam it is so common that I would call that more of a pattern or trend than an exception. No, there is something in the teachings of islam that is inspiring suicide bombers. "ALLAH AKBAR!!........BOOM!!!

Muslima
Muslima

Yes, who are we to judge anyone?We are not to judge, God does the judging. Well said, Lance, and BTW American, I see you opening your mind. Nice!!

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Thanks Muslima... I just abhor people who try to cause trouble by posing as others.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

OMGOSH Muslima, as I was reading that I actually said OIL to myself and then saw you had said it too lmao. Doesn't Jihad also mean pilgrimage as in pilgrimage to Mecca?

Remember Saddam, Remember Weapons of Mass Destruction? You do know that Bush and his family are in the oil business, don't you? Then when the Moslems started fighting back they were terrorists, etc.

Now that they have the wrath of the fanatic militant Moslems - they don't like it. But it is fine for America to go into their countries and cause carnage.

And... this has NOTHING to do with Christianity or Islam... It has to do with GREED.

Muslima
Muslima

Hey, you are a pretty smart guy! I see no reply button under the post where you asked me about SWT, so I am gonna answer you here.SWT is an abbreviation for an Arabic phrase :Subhanahu wa-ta'ala which translated means may He be glorified and exalted. Yes, you are correct about Muslims and their beliefs about Jesus(PBUH), Mary and Joseph. To quote Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the subject, from the Quran: "Cleanliness is half of faith".As for cleanliness, yes Muslims do Wudu or ablution before they pray or handle the Quran. Yes, you are correct about women too. And yes, I pray 5 times a day. I have never been disrespected by a Muslim man, but many others have disrespected me. I do not veil or wear a hijab (head covering) and no other Muslims judge me for this. This is my personal choice, and it is between God and me. The reason that Muslim women cover their bodies is really just to be modest. Muslim men are taught to "lower the gaze" when they see an immodest woman. The first look at one is a freebie, as it is unintentional, so they will look down or away so they don't see something they shouldn't. As for Jews, I am not knowledgeable on the subject, but I think you are correct in regard to Orthodox Jews.

I am an American female Muslim, who was not born a Muslim.I feel blessed to have found Islam and I live my life following my religion all the time. It governs everything I do or say. I respect your belief in the Holy Trinity and I would never seek to push my beliefs on you. Not my business or my religion's way.

Muslima
Muslima

Hold on....do u really think he has a life?

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

lol Muslima, do you think American is having sex with anyone? I think he is a Eunuch. He has no feelings.

FreedomFighter!
FreedomFighter!

No, you just murder them instead! thats all ISLAM is good for is trying to commit terroritic acts and cause panic among those that practice a real religion!

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Very peacefully Muslima and well said too.

Muslima
Muslima

You have no idea at all how people are suffering in Afghanistan. You probably never paid much attention to it until now....please note that they have been enduring our interference for 10 years in the name of "The war on Terrorism". These people have been violated by our country for a long time. Then, the ultimate transgression is served up via the web courtesy of Terry Jones. You have no idea of the suffering, hunger, loss of dignity and just plain going without that these people have endured. While you eat your 3 meals a day, and sleep in your safe bed think of these people who are hungry, cold and doing without. And why is all this going on? Because our country has made a big mistake about bin laden, and they will not admit that. So, maybe we will stay in Afghanistan for another 10 years, maybe some more people will die, and God forbid Terry Jones puts Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on trial....cause it will then be a Holy War, but still not a Jihad, mind you.And while on the subject, it is my Jihad to defend my religion, which I hope you noticed was done peacefully.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

lol - I didn't know that about Osama - thanks for filling me in. You're probably right then - re the cocktails.

Muslima
Muslima

Replying to myself again, Lance..you have no reply button...you have reached ur quota for the week, lol.I think that bin laden is not a good Muslim as he does a lot of things that good Muslims don't do, so why wouldn't he have a cocktail? He has had at least 4 wives at a time, and yes it is allowed in Islam as long as u can provide for them and treat them all equally. So, I think he likes the ladies, and there are a lot of them on South Beach. So, maybe he is having cocktails with them, I dunno.I have some answers to post, and will do so in a little bit. I have stuff to say, as usual.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Yes exactly, Muslima. Re what you said about Jones at the end.

Muslima, I didn't know that someone confessed to master-minding 9.11, etc. Funny, I was having a discussion with someone a while back and they told me that Osama had nothing to do with 9.11 and intially when they asked him, he denied it but they kept on telling him that he was to blame that he eventually he said yes, he did.

Now... another story goes that the USA knew exactly where he was at all times. The funny thing is that when they get close to the place they are going to bomb, Osama disappears. Rumour has it that Osama is being told of when these are going to take place giving him enough time to get away.

Third strange thing... A LOT of highly paid Mercenaries were sent in after Osama a long long time back and NO ONE has found him... I would not be surprised at all at what you say Muslima, that he is probably in South Beach. Only he won't be having cocktails as Moslems don't drink alcohol.

Muslima
Muslima

Kamikaze....long before "The war on terrorism" ever began. Blame the Japanese, not the Muslims.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Very interesting / informative what you have posted Muslima I always pick up so much from your postings which I never knew initially...

Something else I was told when I asked a pious person if he was angry at what was going on, and said yes. He said... "How would you like your Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, Child, to be murdered, tortured and raped, etc.?" This had to do with the ill treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo. He said that when you hurt one Moslem person like that, you have hurt them all. I didn't even know that filth that they got up to with the dog/s - he told me. He said they are all related and Brothers and Sisters in Islam.

Muslima
Muslima

LIKE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE.This is the kind of pastor that Mr. Jones aspires to be....need I say more?

Muslima
Muslima

I have read the entire Quran cover to cover. Nowhere in the Quran does it say to be a suicide bomber...NOWHERE. In fact, it is prohibited....Sura 2:195 Spend in the way of God, and do not seek destruction at your own hands. So do good; for God loves those who do good. Please American, read this link: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/con...Please read that the entire page, because I am quoting a very small part of it here for you:

"the driving force is not religion but a cocktail of motivations including politics, humiliation, revenge, retaliation and altruism."

Also, please note this is info about suicide bombings from 1981 to 2006, which occurred in Iraq, Palestine-Israel, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, which together accounted for 90 per cent of all suicide attacks in that period. All of these places are Muslim countries, so if you think the US is the only place it happens, and that "they" are after "you" you are mistaken.For an example I would like to give you this: Imagine if you can, that you live in say, Alabama....and then say Saudi Arabia comes to Alabama, and they say, oh, BTW, we want to take part of your state and give it to, say Iraq? I think you would be pretty pissed off, and would fight to keep your state. Imagine now, that BIG Saudi Arabia is giving arms to say Iraq to fight against you for your state. Imagine they kill your mother, brother, wife, sister, maybe your child. Are you following me yet?I am telling you what the United States has done for the people of Palestine...they give away their land, they arm Israel and continue to fuel the war there. People do desperate things when they are wronged. Please do not blame all people for a few desperate ones.What you are saying about Muslims is the equivalent of saying that all Catholic priests are pedophiles. Not true.BTW it is Allahu Akbar....God is Great.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THIS ONE BELOW OR NOT... OVER 900 PEOPLE in ONE GO - don't think there have been 900 suicide bombers from the beginning of time to now.

Mass Murder and Suicide Cults

Mass Delusion: 276 Child Murders and Over 600 Adult Suicides: Jim Jones' Peoples TempleIn 1978 over 900 people died when the People's Temple (frequently known as Jonestown) murdered their (276)11 own children with poison. The rest of the community then followed suit, 200 of them killing themselves and shooting the others. The dead included 383 Americans12. They had previously practised the suicide routine. Their leader shot himself. He was American Rev. James (Jim) Warren Jones, an ordained priest in the mainstream Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). He had previously left the Methodist Church because they did not allow African-Americans to be members. Jones preached "an apocalyptic end of the world through race war, genocide and nuclear war. He maintained that he was the manifestation of the Christ principle and that he had the power to heal"13. The sectarianism and religious extremism of the Christian community brought about its own isolation. Its religious ideals were not compatible with the demands of the practicalities of real life, and the group was fixated by a Bible-based fear of the end of civilisation. Conflicts led Jones to move the community to a remote part of Guyana in 1977, but a Congressman soon followed with two investigators, worried by the concerns of relatives of members of the cult, and the stories of defectors. The community murdered them in 1978, and the same night put their suicide plan into action.

“Jonestown might be better understood as a utopian and millenarian society where suicide and murder were the final strategy when the idealistic goals of the movement failed. The conflicts Jones had with the outside world and the isolation of the experimental commune are key factors [... of] self-destruction.”

The truth is a little more complex than saying that religious extremism, led by extremist leaders, leads to such delusion that human life is made second to otherworldly idealism. For in this case, Jim Jones is said to be not only rather unchristian, but a communist atheist (according to some). Whether this is true or not, it is the religious mindset of the community - the susceptibility of his followers to believe him - that led them astray. He put on fake shows of his healing powers, complete with bloody props (rabbit flesh) that he proclaimed to be cancers, and claims to be an embodiment of a principal of Christ. He attracted the poor, the uneducated, Christians and spiritualists. If only people would think more skeptically, and not take claims of resurrection and magical healing seriously, few would have believed such odd claims about reality.

The Ontario Consultants for Religious Tolerance look at sociological, radical and anti-cult studies of the causes of the Jonestown disaster, and offer the following four points as being the main contributing factors:

•Jim Jones' mental illness, aggravated by his use of drugs.•The group's intense fear of the imminent end of civilization.•The extreme isolation of the Agricultural Project.•Opposition and pressure from anti-cult groups, the media and U.S. government.Ontario Consultants for Religious Tolerance (2007)11

4.2. Apocalyptic Survivalism: The Branch Davidian's Shoot-Out and the Sarin Gas AttackWe saw the Jim Jones' Peoples Temple movement progress gradually from mainstream Christianity, through to a fully-fledged survivalist cult. An emphasis on the end times (when in Christian belief, apocalyptic wars and death scourge most of humanity) emerged slowly. Such ideas are present in most mainstream religions so it is hard to tell believers that it is a dangerous belief. Isolationism, extremism, idealism and an intolerance of people without the same beliefs: these are all commonplace across religious communities. Once you believe in some of those principles, it is hard to draw a firm line and stop a community progressing down a slippery slope to a place where they consider their ideals to be more important than human life. Such a slope met the Peoples Temple in the Jonestown disaster where over 900 of them lost their lives in 1978. Another American group, the Branch Davidians, also took on an increasingly them-and-us attitude. They started out with Biblical ideas about the cataclysms of judgement day, and ended up stockpiling weapons. It culminated with the Waco siege where over 80 of the religionists died during a shoot-out with authorities14 in 1993.

Irrationality and susceptibility to believe some unlikely things about the universe can lead to ideals and sectarianism that separate 'others' from their humanity, and allow despicable acts to be undertaken. Aum Shinrikyo was the religious movement responsible for the 1995 sarin gas attack on Tokyo's subway that killed a dozen people and injured thousands. The movement had also already murdered others in order to protect itself. The leader believed in karma, and preached that murder was justified because it stopped people accumulating bad karma15. He had picked up Christian ideas, and preached that such actions were an act of mercy, and started preaching about Armageddon. "Political failure and a feeling of national rejection led to increasing millenarianism"15; again, the idea of a cataclysmic end of the world fuels seemingly insane bloodshed. The victims are not only the suggestible adherents of the movement, but the relatives, friends and communities that are affected by the religion's otherworldly aims.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Correct to a certain point American - other religions don't have suicide bombers - they just have mass suicides in the name of Jesus. You don't have far to go to look for it - it is right in your backyard.

How many Christians have committed mass suicide - I know there are a few - it is all over the internet and you can go and research it there.

In 1906 a Balinese ritual mass suicide, known as Puputan, was committed so that its practitioners would avoid being captured and enslaved by the Dutch invaders. The Raja commanded that all valuables be burnt and that everyone from the youngest child to the wives and priests be marched ceremoniously towards the aggressors. When face to face with the Dutch regiment, the head priest thrust a dagger deep into the Raja’s heart signaling the commencement of Puputan. From here the entire group simultaneously began to kill one another while the women mockingly flung money and jewelery onto the stupefied troops. Over 1000 Balinese people committed suicide on that warm September afternoon, leaving little for the Dutch to do. Today children are taught about Puputan and the day is commemorated with make believe street reenactments.

THE SACRIFICE OF A THREE MONTH OLD BOY...

The Order of the Solar Temple, headquartered in Switzerland and operating in Canada as well, is the secret society that believes in the continued existence of the Knights Templar. Their aims are to establish correct notions of authority and power in the world, to prepare for the Second Coming of Jesus, and to unify the Christian and Islamic faiths. Their activities include a blend of early Protestant Christianity and New Age philosophy. For many years, murders and suicides have been associated with the cult, including the 1994 Canadian murder of a 3-month-old boy, who was ritually sacrificed because he was identified as the Anti-Christ. Then in October of the same year, 48 adults and children were found dead, shot through the head, victims of a mass suicide in a Swiss underground chapel that was found lined with items of Templar symbolism

A true tale of terror involving blood, guts and gore comes in the form of the Japanese ritual suicide, known as Seppuku or Harakiri. As part of the Samurai Bushido code of honor, suicide by disembowelment was practiced to retain honor or lessen shame. The individual would take a short sword known as a tanto and plunge it into his abdomen, making an excruciatingly painful and lethal cut. Lastly, to ensure certain death the Samurai’s assistant would decapitate him. It was a common custom during battle by means of which warriors avoided death or torture by the enemy, though it was also used to punish serious offenses. Although capital punishment was abolished in 1873, voluntary Seppuku was recorded well into the 1900s – notably at the end of WWII, when numerous soldiers and civilians publicly performed Seppuku to avoid surrender. Then, in 1970 a group of rebels committed public Seppuku at the Japan Self-Defence Forces headquarters after an unsuccessful attempt to stage a coup d’etat.

In 60 AD, a time when spears and catapults were the weapons of war, the Roman conquest of Judea forced 960 zealot Jews to first seize and then barricade themselves atop King Herod’s fortress. The citadel, built on a rock plateau in the Judean Desert, was (and still remains) the site of ancient fortifications and palaces. The group lived there for half a decade, building homes and slowly expanding, until the Roman siege of 72 AD, when Emperor Lucius Flavius Silvius commissioned an enormous ramp with which to breach the walls of the fort and capture the rebels. Little did he know that at its summit were smoldering buildings and the rotting cadavers of those who chose death over surrender. Only two women and five children survived to tell the story of how their people had been exterminated – summed up in the words of the zealot leader, Eleazar ben Yair, in his final speech: "Let our wives be killed before they are abused, and our children before they have tasted slavery, and after we have slain them, let us bestow that glorious benefit upon one another mutually...”

A similar story unraveled in the depths of the Indian subcontinent. Jauhar describes the practice of female mass suicide that occurred in Rajput kingdoms during Mughal times so that women could avoid capture and dishonor at the hands of enemy invaders. In the 14th century, Rani Padmini, the queen of Chittor, led all the royal ladies and their children to jump into a bonfire in order to protect themselves from the Sultan of Delhi’s lustful army. Whilst the women and children would perform self-immolation, the men (fathers, husbands and sons) would charge against the attackers, facing certain death, a practice intended to protect both the sexes’ honor. A second and third Jauhar took place in Chittor during the 16th century, which saw the obliteration of entire Rajput lineages.

Ritual suicide is not always connected to supernatural offerings or salvationist logic as has often been the case in contemporary times. In the case of Buddhist monks in the sixties ritual suicide was a sign of protest against the Vietnam War. Thích Quang Duc fearlessly burnt himself to death in a busy Saigon road in 1963 to protest the persecution of Buddhists by South Vietnam’s administration. Despite being revered as a Bodhisattva (a being that has attained Nirvana) by the world’s Buddhist communities, the government repudiated the action and punished the monks further, many of whom followed Thích Quang Duc’s example by performing self-immolation in public places. Although self-harm is prohibited in the Buddhist religion, self-immolation was perceived as a selfless action by the monks – an act that spread the light of the Dharma and opened the eyes of those around them.

HEAVEN'S GATE, SAN DIEGO

This next entry is a real life story of horror meets UFO sci-fi, for the 1970s Heaven’s Gate cult based their belief system on a combination of Christian ideas of the apocalypse and elements of science fiction. If their ideas were to be believed, planet Earth was due to be wiped clean by supernatural forces, and the only path to salvation was to escape to the “Next Level”. According to founder Marshall Applewhite, this escape could be achieved through an ascetic existence, which meant detachment from family, friends, jobs, possessions and other trappings of modern existence. In 1997, however, Applewhite announced a fast-track route to the Next Level: boarding a spacecraft that was trailing the comet Hale-Bopp. On March 26th, when the comet was at its brightest, Applewhite and 38 of his followers committed suicide in order to abandon their terrestrial forms and gain access to the UFO.

SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH

The “Branch” is (for it still survives) a Protestant sect born in 1959 during a schism with the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, when Florence Houteff announced the Second Coming of Jesus on the summit of a hilltop in Texas. Following the failure of this prophecy, a number of “Prophets” took center stage, the most prominent being Vernon Howell (later renamed David Koresh), who indoctrinated the group into believing that he alone had the responsibility and authorization to prophesize and reproduce the “House of David”. In 1994, after allegations of illegal firearm ownership and child abuse, the ATF obtained a warrant to search the premises; but their offensive strategy was met with barricades and gunfire. After many days of fighting, the FBI was afraid of mass suicides and tried to corner the followers with tear gas. However the compound was set on fire from within, killing 80 people. Whether this was mass suicide or an FBI cover-up remains unclear.

Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, Uganda

he MRTC were an apocalyptic Catholic offshoot established in the 1980s after an alleged vision of the Virgin Mary, ordering strict obedience to the Ten Commandments. The sect members spoke very little and sometimes adopted sign language to avoid bearing false witness to their neighbor, they prohibited sex to avoid adultery, and they implemented bi-weekly fasting. As the supposed year of the apocalypse drew near, daily confession was encouraged, the sell-off of possessions was enforced, and work in the fields ceased. However, when 'Judgment Day' failed to occur the followers began to question their leaders’ authenticity, and so a second doomsday was announced for March 17th, whereby all the 1000 followers, adults and children were invited to celebrate their imminent salvation. Little did they know this would culminate in self-immolation and poisoning.

People’s Temple Jonestown Massacre, Guyana

This frightening tale of mass suicide was carried out by members of the People’s Temple, a cult born in the 1950s with the supposed objective of practicing Apostolic Socialism. In the 1970s a Caribbean missionary post was established in Guyana; “Jonestown” was allegedly a benevolent communist community and sanctuary for racial and social equality headed by leader and self-styled prophet Jim Jones. However Jones, claiming to be the Messiah, applied mind-control strategies to brainwash the sect and receive full and incontestable devotion; implemented torture holes to solve disciplinary matters (for both adults and children); and had sexual control over women and children.

In November 1978, strange disappearances began to occur, including the murder of inspecting California Congressman Leo Ryan and a number of fugitives from the 'camp'. Afraid of American retaliation, Jones brainwashed his 912 followers into preserving the People’s Temple for eternity by committing the ultimate sacrifice. Poisoning themselves, they thus participated to the largest mass suicide in modern history.

AS YOU WERE SAYING AMERICAN? A LOT OF THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD... GO AND SEE THE PICS OF THESE SUICIDES...

http://brainz.org/10-most-noto...

Muslima
Muslima

Thanx Lance....and you too!

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Thank you for that Muslima, I only just saw this message of yours. I shall surely message you - I think that perhaps we can learn a lot from each other.

It is wonderful that you have a Jewish Mother. I love a lot about the Jewish religion and can speak a bit of Hebrew - I shall tall you all about it when we chat on email. When my Jewish friends asked me why I wanted to learn I said because I want to greet the Almighty in his own language lol.

I have been researching, with my friend about the rapture, etc. and was looking for reference to it in the Bible - but there is none.

Have you heard of Maitreya, Muslima? He has a website, let me find it for you quickly.

Here it is Muslima, and here is what is says of different religions... http://www.maitreya.org/

Welcome to the Mission Of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path. By entering this website, you are about to find the most amazing Truth. Humanity has been waiting for this Revelation for the last twelve thousand years.

If you study this site carefully, with a sincere mind and an Open Heart, it will be revealed to you that the major religions on earth are not contradictory and separated at all. In fact they are complementary and were sent to earth systematically by One God. When this is understood, the Path to Salvation (Eternal Divine Path) is known! English is the language the Revelation was Revealed in. Thus the English website is the most extensive, complete and up to date. When you are ready to embark on The Greatest Journey and enter the Purest and the Most Holy Domain...

OK, when I first started researching into the Rapture, etc. I came across Maitreya. From my very limited knowledge of him, he is going around saying he is the Almighty and healing people etc. They have changed their website since I was last there so I will look again. Perhaps we can discuss our findings.

Let me send off an email to you I have lost your email address by copying the above lol

Muslima
Muslima

No reply button to your newest post....come on OCweekly, fix this glitch!! I have seen "The passion of the Christ" when it first came out. Sooo controversial, but maybe that was because people had turned a blind eye to the message, and they didn't want to face the truth?Re: Youtube video....I was not a Muslim when I saw the movie...so, this is extremely interesting to me, and I bookmarked the video for future reference. Who knows when I may need to defend my religion again, and I may use it...lol...methinks that will be soon.The video clearly shows Jesus (PBUH) calling God Allah, and the reference to a coming prophet, Muhammad (PBUH). Pretty good stuff from my viewpoint.Yes, in reference to Catholic priests, there has been a lot of controversy in the media, and this saddens me. It makes me think about how many people in this world have been victims of someone who calls themselves a Man of God...terribly sad and many lives have been destroyed.I think the Catholic diocese has covered up a lot of stuff...they are a very powerful organization. Not saying all priests are bad, but I think the diocese has moved/shifted/hidden a lot of them who are. Just my opinion, not stating facts. BTW Lance, some more of my history for you...and probably you only since this blog seems to be dying. My father was Catholic. My mother was Jewish. In the Jewish religion the children born to a Jewish mother are always Jewish, regardless of the father's religion. So, I have had 3 religions now, although I do not know very much about Judaism since my mother did not give that to us. I know the major holidays, some traditions, and I can pray in Hebrew, lol but not in Arabic, haha funny.And, so, Mr. Jones will violate your religion, on your holiday at the mosque in Dearborn. He seems to be intent on offending everybody he can. Yes, I too hope for the same as you...peace and everyone living in harmony. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Probable, No, there are so many people in this world that will not open their minds.I have made a new email...just for you. If you want to talk further about this email me at babymuslima60@yahoo.com and I will give you my real email, lol.Haters, please, if you must email this address, don't waste your time, I will delete your message without reading it. Yes, I think you and hopefully me too will see Heaven, Inshallah. I for one am doing the best I can to attain this. I do not want to see Hell, Shaytan, or Mr. Jones in my afterlife.Take care, and email me if you want to.Salam

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

THANK you so much for your time and patience in teaching me Muslima. Like I said earlier, I love so many things about Islam and Jehovah's Witnesses too and of course my own Church - which is Catholic. It saddens me when people say horrible things about other peoples' religions and fight in the name of God.

Even in this life we live in, Jesus has not been spared. He has been accused of so many things, from being married, to heaven knows what else. But you know, even if he were married - he would have been a good husband and father and nowhere in the Bible have they tarnished him with that accusation.

My religion has also had its share of troubles... You know we have some very very religious and pious Priests who are good, caring and who live lives of chastity and poverty. These good Priests have been blemished by the atrocities of other Priests. I am so glad they have not tarnished our Nuns that much - although they have had their share of troubles too. Unfortunately we are all tarnished by the actions of a few rotten apples in the barrel and as you can see, people are very quick to be judge, jury and executioner - all in one.

Sure, they have to be punished according to law if they have broken any of it's statutes - that goes without saying... but what about the innocent ones? There are many who have used these excuses to syphon money from the Church and feathered their own nests - and those cases have never seen the inside of a courtroom.

You know, today I was showing my friend a YouTube video... Let me get it for you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... - it is part of the Passion of the Christ. It is where "jesus" in the movie says the name of God. Elah / Allah. I was very sad when I saw that movie and the sufferings of Jesus.

It is nearing time when we observe the passion. Good Friday is the day of the Crucifixion. I love my religion - This is such a sad time for me - when we reflect on the sufferings and persecution of Jesus. On Maundy Thursday... we will stay vigil the whole night... the significance of that is Jesus asked his Disciples to keep watch with him... they slept. So the whole night through to the next morning there are people who come in and out of the Church for an hour at a time, to keep watch. Good Friday, the day of the Crucifixion, is a very very solemn day for us. We have a very long service in Church which lasts for three hours where we venerate the cross and kiss the feet of Jesus on the cross. We also follow the 14 steps of the Crucifixion, From the condemnation of Jesus... three times he falls on is way to Calvary and then the Crucifixion, which is extremely sad and makes us reflect on his sufferings and finally his death.

Here is the link if you would like to see it - it has pictures on it too.

http://www.catholic.org/clife/...

Sometimes I wish we can all just live in peace and be happy - but I know we are put on this earth to learn lessons and draw closer to God. We fall all the time but as long as we can pick ourselves up again and continue our journies. Unfortunately those who are more precious seem to suffer more.

Hopefully we all shall attain heaven one day - in Shallah - and keep out of the clutches of Shaytan (Spelling).

Muslima
Muslima

I too do not have a reply button. I think they only want one reply per person....not enough for me, lol.You have a lot of questions and I'll do my best to answer them.The Quran says God created the earth, and only he knows when he will end it. On the Day of Resurrection, or Judgment Day people will stand before God and he will know all and then judge accordingly. Since nobody knows when this will be, it's an incentive to live life as God intended you to. Halal is merely a word that means "allowed" and it is used frequently by Muslims. The opposite of Halal is called Haram. Animals should only be slaughtered by a cut to the jugular, never in front of other animals, and the one being slaughtered should never be scared. A Muslim can only eat animals which are slaughtered using this method, or by the Jewish kosher method.Yes, we do help the poor or hungry. Sometimes that is not an easy thing to do, but I do not judge anyone and what if they really are hungry? If I am in doubt, I will buy them some food instead of giving money. Sad to admit this, but before becoming a Muslim my standard answer was for them to get a job. I do not judge anyone anymore and always help them out now. It makes me feel good to do so.The Islamic calendar is a lunar one, and so Ramadan changes dates every year. It is in the 9th month of the calendar. It lasts 30 days, and in a nutshell it teaches you discipline and spiritual awareness. It teaches you to control your body and mind at the same time. It also for me, reminds me of what it really feels like when you are hungry and don't have anything to eat. Muslims are buried quickly because they do not embalm the body, and also is done quickly to prevent decomposition and to decrease the mourning period. Remember that in the middle east, it is very hot. The process is much the same for the Jewish religion.I wish there was a way to give you my email, but not about to divulge that on this blog!!You're very welcome, and I'm so happy to answer your questions, it's considered a good deed, or hassanat in Islam.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

MUSLIMA: I have to reply to you up here Muslima...your reply button keeps on disappearing lol.

Wouldn't it be nice if the whole world could just live in peace. No fighting, animosity, hatred.

Right about Hadj - I remember now. Thanks for that.

Well Muslima, if we go according to the Bible, we are in the time when God / Allah (SWT) comes back and claims what is his. I don't know what the Quran says - perhaps you can fill me in with what happens before the end - but the beginning for all of us in paradise.

I have a Sufi friend who is a very very pious man. He has a business and works very hard. But before he sits down at night to eat, he has to make sure that his neighbours have food on their table... if not, he takes his food to them and what is left over, he brings home for them to eat. I think that is such a beautiful story. He also fasts a lot and prays a lot too. May the Almighty shower blessings on him and his house.

Muslima, there is a thing the Moslems do... something about slaughting a goat (halal) and eating from it and giving half of it to the poor to feed them. Also something about white food, like flour and sugar and so on, anything that is white - that you have to give to the poor too. I also believe that you can never turn away a begger and have to give them food or money. I love so many of the Islamic ways - which are really beautiful and not many people are aware of them.

What is the meaning of burying someone before sunset on the day they pass away, Muslima?

One last thing, what is the meaning of the 40 days of fasting (Ramadan (Spelling)) - when you fast from sunrise to sunset - I know that Jesus (PBUH), fasted for 40 days. Is there any significance between the two 40 fastings?

There is more I would like to ask but for now, I think that will suffice. Thank you for your patience and in teaching me about your religion.

Muslima
Muslima

Ah, ur smart! You are understanding things from the other side of the fence now. You are exactly right about the Bush family. The US has no right to be in other countries that do not ask for help. Weapons of mass destruction? No, just an excuse for the Bush family business to wreak havoc in Iran. Our US military destroyed that country and killed so many innocent people. Yes, our servicemen were killed too and I am not minimizing that at all. Fact is that we should never have went there.No, Jihad is not what the pilgrimage is called. That is hadj or hajj.Yes, sad but true, it is all about the OIL.

Muslima
Muslima

You are most welcome. When I first became interested in Islam I was delighted by little things like that. It was very enlightening for me to read the Quran and find out what Islam was all about. I will say that I didn't know that much about it, only what the US media spins, and what we are told. I found that my perception of it was very wrong, and in fact it is a peaceful religion that I am proud to be part of. I'm glad you are interested, and that you have an open mind. So many people do not, and they only believe what they see on TV.And re: freeMuslim, yeah he/she whatever is most likely from the middle east....bad speller.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Thank you dear Muslima for teaching me those things.

I didn't know about Muslim men having to drop their gaze if they see an immodest woman. There are so many nice, respectible things about your religion that I would like to use for myself. I love learning about other religions. Whatever I know about Islam, is what I learnt speaking with people. I have a few Moslem friends and know some very very beautiful, respectible Moslem women.

Thank you for teaching me too about SWT and the other things - I shall save this message of yours so that I can revert to it when I forget.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

You are so funny Muslima. Still not REPLY button here for you lol.

Muslima
Muslima

lol, Lance. Maybe that's his problem! Maybe Mrs. Jones will be available soon and he can hook up with her.

Muslima
Muslima

What are you talking about? I think you are misquoting me as you are replying to freedomfighter?I AGREE that there are good and bad in ALL religions. I AGREE that there are hypocrites (please see that this is the way to spell the word) in ALL religions, including Muslims. I do not know what you are referring to, and no I do NOT say that Muslims are any better than Christians. NOWHERE do I state that, and please, do not misquote me again. What I do say is that all religions worship the same God. My God is your God, do you understand that?

sirlancelot
sirlancelot

Well said Muslima. Isn't this always the same when they place all their bad apples in one basket and label everyone the same... Now note well Muslima, this is what is known as tolerance and loving your neighbour - Christianity in its true form.

Re sinning the whole week and then going to church on a Sunday and pretend to live pious lives. I agree with you - but this is what hypocrites are all about. They see themselves as the "Chosen" ones, etc. and have no tolerance for anyone that differs to them in any way. I once saw a female in Church with a Rosary wrapped around her right hand and scandalling about another woman - in Church, she did this.

Now Muslima, there are a lot of things in Christianity that I like, some things in Islam and some things is Judaism. There is even something I like about Jehovah's witnesses. I will never turn anyone away from my door if they come in the name of God, be it Allah (SWT - I don't know what that means btw maybe you could tell me), Hashem, Jehovah - as we are taught not to turn anyone away that comes in God's name.

I once spoke to a Sufi who told me everyone is born a Muslim - as we are all here by the will of Allah (SWT) The Almighty. That makes sense to me and works for both Christianity, Islam and Judaism, I would say.

Now, why I could never convert to Judaism or Islam is because I believe in the Holy Trinity, which is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Islam sees Jesus as a Prophet whereas we see him as the son of God. I understand what you are saying and why you do not believe that he is the son of God. Correct me if I am wrong. Because God could not and would not have fathered a child - right?

All I know is that I could never deny that Jesus. That is the only difference I see between these religions.

Same reason goes of Judaism. They believe that Jesus is not the Son of God.

Anyway, Religion is such a diverse and complicated subject and I truly believe that as long as we are good people and lead good lives and follow the commandments, are tolerant of each other, we will attain heaven.

So many religions believe that they are the true religion - whom are we to judge?

Jbsly
Jbsly

sorry Muslima, but your statement is a little ignorant. Their is good and bad in ALL religions and yes their are also hypricates in All religions including Muslims and that is a fact!!! dont be thinking Muslims are any better than Christians because you just don't know just like I don't know. It all comes down to faith.

Muslima
Muslima

You are using your religion to excuse your poor behavior. Nobody who is Muslim is pushing their religion on you or trying to make you act the way they do. Who are you to judge, or to preach to anyone?Who exactly are you referring to when you say "No, you just murder them instead"? Every single religion has bad people. Please, look around you at whatever your religion is and I am sure you will see this. Do not blame a few radicals for the rest of us Muslims. BTW I am a former Christian. I chose Islam, I was not born a Muslim. I chose Islam because I do not like hypocrites like you who sin all week and then go to church on Sunday and pretend to live a pious life. No, I do not want to be like you, and so I chose a religion that is a way to live life as a better human being. I live my religion 24/7 and it governs everything I do and say.Can you say the same? I think not, and maybe u should read your commandments again, I think you have forgotten them.

Muslima
Muslima

Nobody is murdering anyone for any of those things, you are so ignorant. Those things are between a Muslim and God. And BTW, I see no Muslims on here degrading or insulting YOUR religion.You really should read the Quran, you may learn some tolerance.

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