[UPDATE: OC Democrats Blast Pauly] Video Captures Protesters, Politicians Berating Muslims at Yorba Linda Charity Function

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UPDATE, MARCH 25, 4:40 P.M.: The Democratic Party of Orange County has weighed in on Villa Park City Councilwoman's Deborah Pauly's harsh remarks at an anti-Muslim rally in Yorba Linda last month. (Welcome to the party, folks!)

As you might expect from a party philosophically opposite of a teabagger and Orange County Republican Party vice chairwoman like Pauly, they don't exactly applaud her in the statement after the jump . . .

Statement Condemning Comments Made by Villa Park Councilwoman Deborah Pauly

The Democratic Party of Orange County (DPOC) strongly condemns the venomous words and threats spoken on Feb. 13, 2011, by Villa Park Councilwoman Deborah Pauly, at a rally protesting an ICNA relief event in Yorba Linda. Ms. Pauly also serves as the First Vice President of the Orange County Republican Party.

Councilwoman Pauly characterized  the event and those who attended (some with small children) as "sheer, unadulterated evil." She further threatened the attendees by stating that her US Marine Corps son and other Marines would be willing to "help those terrorists to an early meeting in Paradise."

The foundation of our democracy lies in the people's freedom of speech and certainly Ms. Pauly's reprehensible remarks are included in those rights.

However, the Constitution also provides the right of people to peacefully assemble without threat or intimidation by the government. The Constitution also provides the right of people to exercise their religion without interference by the government by threat or intimidation.

Ms. Pauly was allowed to speak at the rally only because of her official position as an elected councilwoman and as an officer of the Republican Party. So her comments were more than rhetoric by a mere person who chose to inflame and to incite.

As an elected official, Councilwoman Deborah Pauly acted under the color of State law to threaten and intimidate citizens who have constitutional rights, privileges and immunities of assembly and religion. Her actions constitute a misuse of authority and maybe a violation of both federal and state law.

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Photo by Christopher Victorio/OC Weekly
UPDATE, MARCH 23, 5:42 P.M.: Video is up of a Villa Park resident and proud American reading a letter to her City Council Tuesday night.

When Nadia Hassan, wearing a hijab, gets to the part in her letter (previously presented in this post; scroll down some) in which she mentions Councilwoman and Orange County GOP Vice Chairwoman Deborah Pauly "disgraced our city, our country and our United States Marines," Hassan offers an aside.

She discloses she is the daughter of a U.S. Marine who fought for this country in Korea.

Watch Hassan's address to the Villa Park City Council below:



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UPDATE, MARCH 23, 8:530 A.M.: The final tally of demonstrators from last night's media circus inside and around the Villa Park City Council chambers was 500. Does tiny Villa Park even have 500 residents?

About 50 of those shoutin' and sign-holdin' were there to support poison-tongued City Councilwoman and Orange County GOP Vice Chairwoman Deborah Pauly, who started all this with an appearance in a video posted on YouTube by the Council of American Islamic Relations-LA (CAIR-LA) office in Anaheim. It shows her spewing hate and death wishes at Americans of the Islamic persuasion.

But that's not what Pauly meant to say, she doth protested, claiming she regretted people have taken her comments out of context because what she was trying to say was she only wished death on two Muslim speakers at a charity event.


That's as close as you're getting to an apology, folks. The Islamic Circle of North America, which hosted February's Yorba Linda charity event whose speakers produced the rally outside that Pauly helped to lead, says that's not enough.

A formal apology and official city reprimand are what some protesters demanded, although CAIR-LA Executive Director Hussam Ayloush says the main point of the march, vigil and seizure of the public-comments section of the council meeting was to show Pauly, her colleagues and the world that Muslims enjoy community support.

The City Council met earlier this month and did pass a resolution making it clear the remarks council members make in public do not reflect the beliefs or desires of the city--except when they do.

Pauly's name was removed from the final draft.

As for Tuesday night's spectacle, there was a lot of shouting back and forth, with words getting as heated as those hurled during February's Muslim hate rally, but no arrests were made by the more than 20 sheriff's deputies on hand to keep the peace.

UPDATE, MARCH 22, 11:30 P.M.: Here's a slideshow of the night's activities: Protesters, counterprotesters, Councilwoman Pauly herself and everyone in between.

UPDATE, MARCH 22, 6:55 P.M.: We're out here at the march, and our photographer Christopher Victorio estimates around 300 protesters have showed up, along with 30-plus deputies. Here is a photo:

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"Unmask Pauly."

UPDATE, MARCH 22, 5:29 P.M.: Tonight's Villa Park City Council meeting is not scheduled to open to the public until 7 p.m., but things are already heating up.

The Orange County district attorney's office (OCDA) announced this afternoon that a San Pedro man has been charged with threatening violence against City Councilwoman Deborah Pauly via Facebook.

Meanwhile, an Islamic-rights group released a transcript of Pauly's death wish for Muslims at a Yorba Linda rally in February.

Paul Dean Andrews, 27, of San Pedro, faces one felony count of threatening a public official and a maximum sentence of three years in state prison, if convicted. He was being held in lieu of $100,000 bail before a pretrial hearing scheduled for March 30 in Santa Ana.

"A protective order has been issued prohibiting Andrews from having any contact with the victim [Pauly]," adds the OCDA.

Andrews, angered by Pauly's remarks, allegedly sent her a message via Facebook threatening violence with weapons, according to prosecutors, who say the councilwoman and county GOP vice chairwoman reported the threats to the Orange County Sheriff's Department, which placed Andrews under arrest Monday.

The OCDA statement on the charges follows:

March 22, 2011

MAN ARRAIGNED ON CHARGES OF THREATENING VIOLENCE AGAINST VILLA PARK CITY COUNCILWOMAN IN WRITING OVER FACEBOOK

SANTA ANA - A man has been arraigned on charges of threatening violence against a Villa Park City Councilwoman by sending her a message on Facebook. Paul Dean Andrews, 27, San Pedro, is charged with one felony count of threatening a public official and faces a maximum sentence of three years in state prison if convicted. Andrews is being held on $100,000 bail and is scheduled for a pre-trial hearing on March 30, 2011, at 9:00 a.m. in Department C-57, Central Justice Center, Santa Ana. A protective order has been issued prohibiting Andrews from having any contact with the victim.

On Feb. 13, 2011, Villa Park City Councilwoman D. Pauly was among many protesters who gathered outside a benefit for Islamic Circle of North American Relief USA, being held at a Yorba Linda community center.  Other public officials including Congressmen Ed Royce (R-CA40) and Gary Miller (R-CA42) also spoke and attended the rally. The protest was covered by the media and the public officials'' comments were posted on various websites including YouTube and REDDIT.  

Pauly is serving her second term as Villa Park City Councilwoman.  She was last elected in November 2010.  She is also an elected Republican Member of the County Central Committee of the 60th Assembly District.  She was last elected to that position in June 2010. 

On March 3, 2011, Andrews is accused of becoming angry at Pauly over comments she had made at the February 2011 protest. The defendant is accused of threatening Pauly by sending her a message on Facebook, including threatening violence against her with weapons. He is accused of making the threats using his personal Facebook account with his picture. 

The victim, fearing for her safety, reported the threat to the Orange County Sheriff's Department (OCSD), who investigated this case. Andrews was arrested yesterday, March 21, 2011, by OCSD.

Senior Deputy District Attorney Rebecca Olivieri of the Special Prosecutions Unit is prosecuting this case.

Here are the Pauly statements that allegedly riled up Andrews, courtesy of the Council on American Islamic Relations-LA (CAIR-LA) office in Anaheim:

Villa Park Councilwoman Deborah Pauly's Speech at the Yorba Linda Community Center Rally
Feb. 13, 2011
Transcript courtesy of CAIR-LA

"Thank you, Karen, I'm not married to a 25-year old. I'm really glad to be here, and I'm very glad to see all of you here. The first thing I want to do is I want to commend the City of Yorba Linda, yes, their mayor Nancy Rikel and my good friend John Anderson, they're both good friends of mine, actually are handling a very difficult situation with a lot of grace and dignity and really more tolerance then these unwelcomed invaders deserve.

"The timing of this is no accident, I believe that, it has a lot to do with them feeling very emboldened by what's going on in the world right now, and by the 11 members of the Muslim Student Union who disrupted a peaceful gathering at UCI being charged by the District Attorney and having to answer for their actions. I want to commend you all for being here because you realize the seriousness of the situation we're facing. It's no accident also that they are here in Yorba Linda in the heart of conservative territory. They are here for a reason. They are baiting us, they are baiting us and they are daring us to challenge them and to call them out for what they are doing. That's the way they operate. I remember as a young Airman stationed at Clark Airbase, the Muslim extremist were up in the mountains of Mindanao training at that time in early 1980s and every once in a while, out of nowhere, they would come down out of the mountains and the one road between Clark Airbase and Carmenville where most of the officers and their families lived. They would just take somebody out, target practice, if you will. What a chilling experience that is. But you know that was 30 years ago, that was on the other side of the world and so it just didn't seem to matter that much to me it was over there, right? Folks, it is now right here on our doorstep and we better take a stand. This is a very scary time. I'm going to tell you something I have known about this, and it has been on my heart for a long time but I have been afraid to speak up because they want you to be afraid. They want you to be afraid of them, they want you to be afraid of being called intolerant or prejudiced or crazy. That's exactly how they operate with intimidation, oppression, threats of violence, rumors of violence, violence, well-publicized beheadings, stoning of women who are disobedient, disobedient women how many of you are out there (raises her hand ). They operate by instilling fear which is the antithesis of the freedom and everything that America stands for, the America I know stands for freedom, not fear. Fear our Creator, the same creator referenced in our Declaration of Independence tells us repeatedly in the Holy Scriptures to fear not, fear not. Why does God have to say that so often because he knows the world can be a very scary place where good is pitted against evil. Let me tell you what's going over there right now make no bones about it that is pure unadulterated evil.

"When you are confronting evil, fear not. I turn to the Lord for strength and courage and I say I can't be quiet anymore and neither can you. Make no mistake my friends. Exactly what we are confronting here is evil and the weapons of evil, including lies and deception. You saw this flier [holds up flier for Muslim charity event], look at this flier. They're talking about, uhhhh, protecting disaster response and relief and women's housing and hunger prevention and family counseling, medical aid and emergency financial support and funeral and burial assistance. Oh my goodness, aren't they wonderful? Let me tell you, $25 a head for 300 people, that's $7,500. They had to rent the community center. They're providing dinner and babysitting. How much money are they actually going to be raising? That's not what they're here for, that is not! They won't even be able to provide for even one burial. It's really disgusting to me that they use deception but we shouldn't be surprised by that at all. The flier is deceptive. You know what? This is the bad seed [points to Yorba Linda Community Center] make no mistake and you all know what I'm talking about. This is the bad seed, and we are in the middle of a fight for our lives, the fight for the future of our country. If these people that are gathering right now as I'm speaking to you were the altruistic, peace-loving relief agency that this flier claims them to be, they would be condemning these terrorist instigators and instead of inviting them to be their keynote speakers. Those of you who are gathered here you know what's going on but I want to tell you something, you are rare in America. Most Americans have no idea what's going on right now and part of the reason why we have been quiet, those of us who know what's going on have been cowed, cowed into silence out of fear. And I'm telling you, we cannot afford to do that anymore. We have to go out and speak to our friends and our neighbors.

"We need to make sure everyone knows and I don't even care. I don't even care if you think I'm crazy anymore because I have, I have a beautiful daughter I have a wonderful 19-year old son who's a United States Marine. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to an early, uh, meeting in paradise. The thing that really scares me, this is the thing that really bothers me because they are using the goodness that is America against us. Our freedom of religion, we believe in freedom, you can practice religion or not, this one or that, we don't care or you can practice no religion at all. That is fine. But that is not what they believe. You will be Muslim or you won't be anymore. That is not freedom. They use our freedom of assembly against us. They are using that freedom to invade the peaceful City of Yorba Linda on a Sunday knowing fully well what they're doing. They are using our freedom of speech against us. They are free to speak but if we say anything about it, they claim that we are suppressing their right to free speech. Make no mistake my friends, these who are assembling are enemies of America. They are your enemy. They are my enemy because they seek to destroy it, they seek to destroy our way of life and everything we stand for. Radical Muslims warned us before 9/11, I don't know how many of you remember that but they told us they were going to destroy us from within and they are doing that, that's exactly what they're doing. Because America is more than its buildings or its monuments or its economy or its resources, it's even more than its people. America is an ideal. It's the ideal of freedom, freedom, freedom. And, it is a freedom worth fighting to protect. It is a freedom worth fighting to defend and everyone here right now needs to pick a side. We must stand strong together. We must speak the truth boldly. We must resist evil because if you resist it, it will flee from you. I pray at 6 p.m. everyday, and I invite you all to stop wherever you are and pray that God keeps his hand of protection over our country, that he protects all of our men and women in the military, that he protects you for speaking out, that he protects me and everyone who stood on this stage today. God bless you, God bless America, thank you for your time."


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UPDATE, MARCH 22, 9:58 A.M.: Learning the Orange County Sheriff's Department will beef up police presence at today's Villa Park City Council meeting, it would be easy to assume that came at the request of Islamaspooked Councilwoman Deborah Pauly.

After all, a whopping two Muslim residents of Villa Park announced they will confront her during public comments over her death-to-Muslims remarks at February's anti-Muslim rally in Yorba Linda.

Good lord, break out the riot gear!

But the police protection is actually aimed at ensuring safe entry for the residents. That's right: Citizens will need a police escort into enter their city's council chambers to address their representatives, especially after the ugly display outside the charity event in Yorba Linda.

God bless Deborah Pauly's America!

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Aeafe
Aeafe

Looks and sounds like a Klan rally, hate hiding behind a flag and a bible. I heart OC! www.google.com handbag

Muhammed
Muhammed

FREE PANCAKE BREAKFAST, SATURDAY, APRIL 2ND, 2011..Reportedly Congressman Ed Royce is holding a fund raising gathering at his home in Fullerton to elaborate on his position that he took in Yorba Linda on February 13th regarding "Muslim's here in the U.S." Sources tell me that Mr. Royce is catering to his supporters (for money of course!) and this is touted as a "political fundraiser" and will be speaking about his condoning the support of Muslims in this country. Anyone can attend and it is a FREE Pancake Breakfast, supposedly open to his consituents of the City of Orange. (How are they going to know what city you come from?) This FREE Pancake Breakfast is scheduled to be held at Mr. Royce's home in Fullerton on Saturday, April 2nd, 2011. Address is 1513 No. Highland Ave, Fullerton , Ca. 92835 Simply knock and enter thru the front door. The gathering will be on the back patio. Reports say that Villa Park Councilwoman Debrah Pauly will be in attendance so expect a "spirited event" if it really happens. Royce supported Pauly at the rally in Yorba Linda where over 500 protesters showed up.It will be interesting to see if this event takes place without a hitch. I have a feeling that as more people hear about this gathering, that it could draw more people than the scene at Yorba Linda. Can't wait.

Michelle Quinn
Michelle Quinn

blah blah, as she expresses her outrage about miss pauly, I wonder what she think's about the fact that she is lucky her muslim female A$$ is here and not in a muslim country.... What a pathetic excuse for intelligence.

I am sorry, I am more offended when a mulsim woman stands up and asks for civilty and respect, when her very religon she wears with such flare, see's her as nothing but a big piece of meat!

Wise up!

junior
junior

Not much doubt that mr. "GOGO" is Sean Mill. He is known for his viscious and baseless personal attacks.

GOGO
GOGO

Man, Whoever this RACIST PIG "Junior" is, the FBI should be checking this guy out.

Juniors comments are dangerous. This guy whoever he is or claims to be is a racist maniac. I look forward to seeing him on a future episode of criminal minds.

Tim McVey all over again.

Clarance of Arabia
Clarance of Arabia

oH no.. Another ethnic group/race .. whatever.. gets their immigration ticket punched and think they actually have something to do with America. A white women givers her opinion.. so what? Hate, racist, xenophobe..all the stupid names you jew/muslms/mexis..scream when you think you're a victim. Go back to your mudhuts .

909Jeff
909Jeff

First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller

First they came for the communists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me.

We ask the tough questions not because we are racist but because history demands it!

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Hurray for Deborah Pauly. She said what needs to be said and is 100% correct in herassessment of the radical muslims intent on destroying our Country from within.Stand up America! The time is now and we must band together to stop theseradicals before it's too late.

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GOGO

Deb Pauly fails to mention that her son is GAY!

What a hypocrite!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

I challenge any of you to view the Youtube video posted above and answer two questions.

Does the violent, hateful racist rhetoric of Malik-Ali deserve a response? And if so – what type of response would you feel is appropriate?.

Black Dog
Black Dog

Wow, it's nice to see the Muslim community standing together to protest bigotry toward Islam. It would have been great though to see them as supportive for other wrongs though, like 9/11. The day I saw the Islamic world dancing in the streets celebrating the terrorists attacks on 9/11, that kinda formed my opinion of the people and their religion. Maybe only .0001% or less of Muslims are extremists, but as far as I can tell, that .0001% is supported by 99% of the population and all of their governments. I have yet to be proven wrong...

Amillennialist
Amillennialist

Why is this post's author defending Islam? For it is Muhammad and his allah who require:

"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

"fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . " (Qur’an 9:5).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . " (Qur'an 5:33).Ibn Kathir says of this verse: "'Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil." So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for "disbelief.""Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle [. . .] if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise" (Qur'an 8:67).

"Allah’s Apostle said, '. . . I have been made victorious with terror . . .'" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

Jacledude
Jacledude

Yorba Linda was a protests against the speakers and those who go to hear them, one an avowed and outspoken homophobe and anti-Semite and the other a complete racist who labels all whites "white devils." Just the facts. Whether you pay $25 to hear them or hear them for free, that gathering was NOT the innocent fund-raiser for "beggar-women" it said it was. More went to pay the speakers than they raised.

junior
junior

Of Malik-Ali, the radical Islamist speaker at the fundraising event, Vern Nelson of the Orange Juice blog said:".. Why he’d be chosen as a speaker for a charity event by ICNA I have no idea, but I plan to ask them .."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

norris
norris

pauly, royce and all those who refuse to see the hate in this protest are racists. the only reason these white politicians attended this demonstration is they hate the muslims who attended this event because muslims are not white.

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junior
junior

GOGO,

Exactly what comment or comments make me a racist pig?

Clarence of Arabia
Clarence of Arabia

All you have to say is 'jews'. They are the communists and trade unionists. Thanks for the laugh at your attempt to make communists out as victims. They've killed more people on this planet than any other groups combined. ... including ..drum roll please.. The nazis.

909Jeff
909Jeff

I'm not sure if this is true but if it is you make our case because under Sharia law homosexuals are murdered.

DirtyGARYSUCKS
DirtyGARYSUCKS

Quit posting this silly PROPAGANDA peice Junior.

If the fool at SATV hadn't wanted the real thing released then this would have never been an issue.

But, I'll take the bait:

Yes it does, but BASHING innocent people like Garry Miller, Debra Pauly and Ed Royce did, all elected officials, is not fair game.

Maybe this is why you sell sheet metal and are not mayor.

Quit posting this bullshit response, you are only fanning the flames dumbshit. The assholes that gathered that night are just that assholes. Led by GOP electeds that feel they need to play to racist assholes to get elected. Would'nt you rather see then do something for the community (like pass a law) instead.

ROYCE - PAULY-MILLER THREE RACIST BIGOTS: There no denying that Junoir

Amillennialist
Amillennialist

"Allah’s Apostle said, '. . . I have been made victorious with terror . . .'" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

GUEST
GUEST

MANY Muslim groups came together to denounce what happened in 2001. Innocent Muslims - not the terrorists - were killed on that day as well. Where is all the Christian outrage when Westboro Baptist Church protests outside the funerals of American soldiers, saying that God has killed that soldier because God hates America? Why aren't you speaking up in protest against them?

White Women Are Satan
White Women Are Satan

She resembles every stupid dumb fake titty white bitch, the kind that spew racism on YouTube and get called out on it, but 20-30 years older.

This is what they turn into.

junior
junior

norris,

You could not be more wrong.

Santiago Matamoros
Santiago Matamoros

It's true that Communism's killed more than Nazism, but in comparison to Islam neither have been more than a drop in the bucket.

What should you expect from nearly one and one-half millennia of "kill the pagans wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5)?

909Jeff
909Jeff

Yeah Clarence that’s what I was doing... Sympathizing with the pinko's. Or, just maybe what I was doing was pointing out that if you keep your mouth shut and look the other way because you are afraid that someone might call you names like... Racist, because you refuse to look the other way when you have people like Imam Choudery demand that the United States recognize and implement Sharia Law...And guess what Clarence? All you hear coming from CAIR and the so called "Moderate" or "Main-Stream" Muslims is crickets chirping... So before these people "Progress" us back to the stone age you better bet your Arabian ass People like me are going to be here demanding accountability on all sides, and are definitely not going to let CAIR talk out of both sides of their mouths. Talking about how all these terrible racists here in the OC bullied innocent Muslims and their children while in the same breath crying about how the Irvine 11 are having their freedom of speech trampled on when they did the same thing as the ignorant Honky's in Yorba Linda!

And Damnit Gustavo Where have you been? I miss my favorite whipping boy!

909Jeff
909Jeff

So the Irvine 11... who shouted racist things at the Isreali ambassador were what? Oh thats right 11 racist bigots!

People in glass houses... nevermind!

junior
junior

Dirty,

What is this BS about me running for mayor? I have never run for any political office.

In regard to the violence, hatered and racism of one of the radical speakers at the fundraiser you said "Yes it does" call for a response and that is fair game for anyone even electeds - especially electeds.

That BS mayor thing really bugs me ... where did that come from?

Amillennialist
Amillennialist

How dishonest of you.

It is ridiculous to imply that Islam doesn't kill because Westboro offends.

Even though this has nothing to do with either jihad or shari'a, what Christian denominations support Westboro? Which churches share their beliefs as official doctrine? To what command of Christ can Westboro point to justify their despicable behavior? As hateful as they are, they're not beheading and raping non-Christians to shouts of "Jesus is great!"

On the other hand, Muslims have been killing other Muslims almost as long as they've been killing non-Muslims. So what if innocent Muslims died on 9/11? It's their coreligionists who pulled the trigger, and they did so in obedience to Allah and in emulation of Muhammad. And that is the critical issue here.

When a non-Muslim does something hateful, it is *in spite of* his religion. When Muslims butcher, rape, and maim in order to advance the implementation of shari'a, it is *in obedience to* Allah and *in emulation of* Muhammad.

So, why are you obfuscating for jihad?

http://amillennialist.blogspot...

Richard Seph
Richard Seph

Tardiff,

Last time I checked, Jesus Christ did not have and exclusive on the God thing. Nor do Royce, Pauly and Miller have an exclusive on being fake vote getters. The truth is they were pandering to the nut balls.

The "protest" was reprehensible. But thankfully the reasonable have you on their side, by keeping this thing front and center, you keep remindng us what chicken hawks the OC GOP is.

junior
junior

wtf are you talking about?

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