Jon Wiener, UCI History Professor, Advocates Arming Some But Not All Faculty Members

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The Weekly has chimed in when author/KPFK radio host/UC Irvine history professor Jon Wiener has pressed the federal government to release secret FBI files on John Lennon, academia to better police historians and our owners to loosen what he perceived to be a stranglehold on our sister paper, LA Weekly. Wiener has also written in our pages, real and virtual.

But now the good professor has gone waaaay too far: In the wake of the Arizona tragedy, he's advocating the arming of old, white college professors like, uh, the guys he sits across from at Anthill Pub & Grille.

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Sheriff Jon
Okay, so Wiener is having a laugh in his latest piece for The Nation, which riffs on an actual proposal in the 'Zoner legislature to allow the carrying of weapons on campus by faculty members.

His angle is to suggest that may not be such a good idea--not because of inadequate gun training, other safety considerations or the fact that society has sunk so low to even consider such a thing.

No, as Wiener points out, "the question arises, Should all faculty members be armed?"

I've given away too much of his set-up already. Click on The Nation link above and read for yourself. It's breezy, hilarious and thought-provoking--just like its author.

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americansRignorant
americansRignorant

Hmmm... So this guy thinks college students are more stable than college professors? This is a joke right?? How many news stories have you heard about students shooting up the classroom vs. instructors? Go move to some backward country like Mexico, if you want gun control. How many people were killed there as a result of gun violence last year? something like 30,000!

Hes
Hes

How would this be our society "sinking so low" to do this? Our country was founded on guns and the right to own/carry a gun. Maybe if everybody had a gun idiots would think twice before they use theres and get shot up themselves. Also maybe just maybe everyone wasn't a stupid soccer mom when it comes to dealing with guns they wuldnt be so frowned upon. It's the second amendment, second it's close to first for a reason. So if you decide that carrying a gun isn't your thing, then oh well shut your mouth and stop trying to run it for other people.

Sane gun owner.
Sane gun owner.

I love how most people who are anti-weapon have probably never spent any time at a range or even fired so much as a BB gun and yet mock and label any weapon owner as some trigger happy redneck. It is laughable.

Dweezle.Di
Dweezle.Di

Guns are for one thing, killing. True, Guns do not kill people, People kill people, using guns or knives or poisons or bombs. When a gun is fired the bullet leaving the muzzle does not care where it goes at roughly 2000 ft per second it will penetrate a human, dog, wall or car indiscriminately. no one has control over a bullet once a trigger has been pulled. The more bullets fired from guns the more chance innocent people will be injured. Perhaps a bullet may kill a bad person trying to injure others, the chances are also likely that same bullet may pass through that bad person and injure or kill an innocent.

Guest
Guest

I can't take it anymore.The vitriolic partisan rhetoric has sunk my soul into the depths of despair.So much h8.So many killings.So much recession and money woes.So much bullying.My ex left this here shotgun when she left me.God, it's so shiny, long and powerful.She even left it loaded.God, the metal is so cold.So cold.God, I'm so depressed.The political upheaval is just too much for me to bear.I'm holding the shotgun in my left as I try to type with my right.Sometimes I just wanna stick the barrel into my mouth like this....But it's so hard to type and keep it in my mouth while still reaching for the trig--

[BLAM!]

Chichi
Chichi

Bad idea.

I mean why give college kids a chance to defend themselves? Keep guns off campus. Next time you have an armed nutcase on your campus, be sure to let him know that it's illegal.

Jack Grimshaw
Jack Grimshaw

Novak, I'm familiar with "lede" and why it's spelled that way (hate to admit it, but I go back to "hot lead" Linotype days myself in England). I was interested in which paper Chris launched his, uh, critique from as HE is privy to this esoterica ...

Matthew_T_Coker
Matthew_T_Coker

Just a heads up: Later I'll be posting on a different professor's smart-ass column for "Reason" advocating blanket censorship of every written word to prevent more WikiLeaks. That will allow you all to debate papyrus vs. parchment. You'll recognize it's my post by the cumbersome lede/lead.

Jack Grimshaw
Jack Grimshaw

"... the lede" - so, which paper d'you work for, uh, Chris?

briansays
briansays

just in time to the marketfrom wonkette.com

A South Carolina gun and accessories company has been selling a very special, one-of-a-kind semi-automatic rifle component inscribed with “YOU LIE,” to honor the state’s favorite son Joe Wilson and his good Southern gentlemanly manners. Yes, for just $99.95, you too can carry those immortal words of pure American bald-eagle-blood spirit on your assault rifle (a kind of gun designed to be very good at killing people, for you librul weenies out there). Which raises the question: Isn’t it a bit late to come out with a Joe Wilson gun thing? His outburst was a whole two years ago. Though perhaps, considering very recent events, this is actually the perfect time for member-of-Congress-themed gun parts.

Neale Smull
Neale Smull

Although... I wouldn't entirely oppose a tazer for some classrooms

Observant
Observant

Interesting article Mr. Coker, but that first sentence (paragraph almost) is quite a specimen of poor writing. Just sayin' . . . edit . . . edit . . . edit . . .

Guest
Guest

That is a terrible, terrible idea. Nobody should be carrying guns unless this is the apocolypse and zombies are after your children. And this is coming from a sane person.

Jrc35
Jrc35

When the Zombiepocalypse comes, they'll be hiding behind you and me, since they'll have no idea how to double tap between the eyes.

Jrc35
Jrc35

Most small caliber bullets, like those that would be in a handgun used for self defense (9mm, 10mm, .38 cal, etc) are designed specifically to break up and rattle around inside someone, not go right through. In most instances, you're LUCKY if the slug passes cleanly through your body. Otherwise, the pieces of the slug will tear up the soft insides, reducing the chance of survival. Also, a bullet fired at an intruder will likely become lodged in a wooden stud, or will break up upon hitting things inside the walls of a house.

Of course, there are guns that fall outside of these norms, like a .357 Magnum, a .50 calibre Desert Eagle, etc, but most normal handguns aren't powerful enough to keep going through walls, let alone people.

john
john

that's why they make hydro-shock bullets, they stay lodged inside of what ever they hit (won't even go through a sheet rock wall).

yeah killing is bad but banning guns (anywhere) is not going to stop the criminals from committing crimes. allowing guns lets non-criminals defend themselves if need be.

Novak
Novak

The most important structural element of a story is the lead (or "intro" in the UK) — the story's first, or leading, sentence. (Some American English writers use the spelling lede (pronounced /ˈliːd/), from the archaic English, to avoid confusion with the printing press type formerly made from the metal lead or the related typographical term leading.

Chrisgffn
Chrisgffn

I agree. I had to reread that sentence/paragraph twice. I think technically it works, but it's a classic case of a writer trying to cram too much into the lede, tweaking and reworking till it's technically sound but by then he's too familiar with it. If you become too comfy with your content, it sometimes becomes more difficult to recognize when your writing is completely confusing to someone new to the content.

Jrc35
Jrc35

If you were sane, you'd understand man's right to carry weapons. It's an inalienable right, put in the Bill of Rights by the founding fathers. A well armed society is a polite society.

Jrc35
Jrc35

Agreed. People who own legal guns shouldn't be prohibited or discouraged to have their guns. Remember, if a legal gun owner has to use his weapon, there's a reason. Most likely, it's a person breaking into their house at night, and the gunowner has to react to protect his or her property or family.

Pat
Pat

But if a person follows proper safety procedures, the gun should have a muzzle lock on it and be stored, unloaded, in a gun safe while the bullets are stored elsewhere. What good will that do in case a robber comes in?

How many B&Es when the resident is home are there compared to how many guns are in the US?

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