Proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian Birth Is Found! Is NOT! Is TOO!

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From the Department of Nothing Important Will Ever Get Done in This Country Because All Sides Cannot Agree on the Facts comes the latest word from Hawaii's new Governor Neil Abercrombie on President Barack Obama's birth in the Aloha State. Those who discount Orly Taitz and fellow birthers as nuts, partisans or partisan nuts trumpet Abercrombie's revelation that documents have been unearthed indicating Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961 after the Islands had become a state, thus making Barry eligible to be Commander in Chief. But the birthers, who claim Obama was born in Kenya--no, Indonesia; Wait, the United Kingdom!--herald the same Abercrombie disclosure as proof the fictional birth certificate is "missing." 'Cause it ain't never been there. Dunt-dun-dunnnn . . .

Sigh.

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Abercrombie, who took office in December, told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser that "our investigation" indicates there is a recording of his birth, adding, "It actually exists in the archives, written down."

Comments under a New York Daily News piece on Abercrombie's find:

"Oh I see. . . . The long form with his little footprint, and the doctors' signatures who tended his mother 'may' not be in the archives? And liberals want to know why this issue never goes away?"

Many comments left under the online version of the Star-Advertiser story are like this:

"In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth was used to register babies who were born out of the state. According to Obama's family and many others in Kenya, he was born there. Also neither parent has any record of attending any schools or other places 6 months before the birth. Where were they?"

See, unless Abercrombie can produce an actual long-form, official birth-certificate document that has been signed and stamped, with I's crossed and T's dotted--one that can be turned over to birthers for carbon-dating tests that must prove ink met paper in late summer 1961--then his saying such proof exists in the archives is bullshit to the batshit-crazy crowd.

And even if Abercrombie does produce such a document for the whole world to see, the nutbars will want some other documentation, like records of the schools and other places Obama's parents attended six months before he was born (!?!).

Even that would not matter because the birthers will then contend Obama is not eligible to be president because he was born to a non-natural-born, U.S.-citizen father, your U.S. Constitution funny papers be damned.

Abercrombie, 72, tells the Hawaiian paper his crusade against the birthers is personal.

"It's a matter of principle with me," he reportedly said. "I knew his mom and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already."

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Msdeb234
Msdeb234

So Mr. Abercrombie you say that you wish there were some way to convince everyone that he is a U.S. citizen well ther is. Let the American public see it. Better yet if it were legitimate why not go on T.V. and invite an authority to inspect it someone who has nothing to gain or lose (unbiased opinion) to finally put this matter behind us. Mr. Abercrombie you need to get a backbone and do what is right-in all due respect.

Markandandrea
Markandandrea

i logged onto hawai register for births and deaths and only one recorded birth ......and one recorded death.......is he who he says he is????

Navyguns
Navyguns

a non-natural-born, U.S.-citizen father? His father was a Kenyan and subject to the British crown, not a US citizen. If there is a long form birth certificate, then produce the thing and most will shut up. Keep it hidden, and the issue will continue. I think it is "bat-shit crazy" that we must produce a birth certificate to get a driver's license, open a bank account, join the Boy Scouts, enroll in school, etc.. But to be President of the United States we take you at your word? Who's taking the U.S. Constitution lightly here?

Robertstanger
Robertstanger

Sorry Folks. No actual Hawaiian Birth Certificate for President Obama has been provided. The new Hawaiian Governor Albercrombie has already admitted he and or his staff can not find an original or a copy of the actual Hawaiian Long Form which is the official documet that would put this "puupy to bed". So, until that document is provided-no closure. Also, it's a bit stange that any and all attempts to obtain copies of Obama's college transcripts, grades, writings, etc. via Occidental, Colubia and Havard are not available. And since Obama went to Occidentail on a Fulbright Scholarship-reserved for foreign students, only adds to the suspicion that this person may not who we have been led to believe. Just saying-"things may not be all kosher in Denmark"

ksdb
ksdb

Several problems with your premise. SAD had to live FIVE years after age 14 in the U.S. in order for her child to be a statutory citizen at birth, if born overseas. You're not quoting the applicable statute.

Second, the Supreme Court said the definition of NBC is found OUTSIDE of the Constitution. Neither the 14th amendment nor any statutory law applies. It is defined as born in the country to parents who are citizens. John McCain might only be an NBC if we use Emmerich de Vattel's interpretation of International Law that says a child born overseas to parents in service to the country (such as military and ambassadors) is considered as born in the country. The rest of your post is faither nonsense.

LostSok
LostSok

You'd think at some point the birthers would just stop in the middle of the day, with a lightbulb going off over their heads, and say, "WOW...I am just the most pathetic human ever!"

I guess if they were dumb enough to buy into this nonsense at the beginning, and THEN so blithe as to continue to believe it even though it's been disproved over and over (there was a birth announcement int he PAPER for Christ's sake!), then any hope that a brain cell or two would suddenly flicker...even momentarily...is probably a lot to ask for.

Well...at least they keep us laughing. I'm sure "Barry" has a good snicker now and again.

mikkyfinn
mikkyfinn

I wonder if Birthers realize who would be to blame if Obama actually turned out to be whatever the hell they claim. For TWO years, under president Bush, Barrack Obama campaigned to be president of the US. For TWO years a republican president had the power of the CIA, the FBI and the NSA at his disposal to investigate this Rockstar of a candidate that was seriously posing a threat to eight years of Neo-con rule. For TWO years the agencies in question vetted this individual as per the customary process when someone announces their candidacy for POTUS. So if the Birthers really want to continue blasting the incompentancy of the Bush administration....I say go ahead. They also started an illegal war, tortured people, and spied on american citizens, but they don't seem to concerned about that.

Kanon
Kanon

"one that can be turned over to birthers for carbon-dating"...Ummm, birthers are probably also young-earthers.... so no worries about carbon-dating, they don't believe in it!!

Guest
Guest

Stop feeding the Birther Trolls.

Joel
Joel

This article is too funny ... it's nothing but whitewashing and childish namecalling.

Why are these people so upset that many American Citizens are asking for a Birth Certificate? I mean, isn't that something that you should figure out, especially in the case of your current Presidents place of birth? What is going on in your country? Has the flouride in your water affected your brains so much that you won't even debate whether or not your president was born in your own country? Yikes!

ksdb
ksdb

Xlsyor, you know the faithers are insecure when they post ridiculous nonsense in hopes of marginalizing an issue they can't logically defend. If you're going to whine, try having a legitimate gripe.

ksdb
ksdb

Joe, nobody had to know that "one day" anyone was going to run for president. It's very customary for children born out of state to be registered with the home state of permanent residence (in this case, Obama's grandparents, since it was their address in the announcement, not Barak Sr.'s address). We know, for example, according to the 1961 Natality Report that Hawaii registered about 100 children who were born out of state. Other states do this as well. A registration automatically prompts a newspaper announcement, but it says nothing about place of birth.

Xlsyor
Xlsyor

Whenever I'm feeling morose, I find something easily satirized and read all the comments, which generally restores my faith in extraterrestials.....Can you people POSSIBLY imagine what could get done in this lifetime, if all this misspent energy were dedicated to, say, cancer research, or, even, walking on a furshlugginer treadmill to light up a small town????Jeez, I better sit down...I'm feelin' woozy....

Reason
Reason

Birthers are closet racists, plain and simple.

ezio
ezio

when you're president, it's easy to forge documents.

sp
sp

We are concerned with honest answers and proof of American birth. Not rhetoric that serves as a smoke screen. Show us the paper dammit! Stop hiding it!

ksdb
ksdb

Joe, tell everyone what place of birth was listed in those birth announcement or what the child's name was in the announcement. No one had to go back in time because these announcements didn't say anything and didn't prove anything, although they did list Barak Sr. at an address where he never lived. Neither announcement excludes the possiblity of Obama being born outside of Hawaii. Second, neither announcement makes Obama a natural born citizen.

ksdb
ksdb

MP, the Supreme Court told us explicitly in Minor v. Happersett that NBC = born in the country to parents who are citizens. Wong Kim Ark affirmed this citizenship was based on jus soli AND jus sanguinis ... "The decision in that case was that a woman born of citizen parents within the United States was a citizen of the United States ..." which fits BOTH courts definition of natural born citizen.

Now if you want to look aththe U.S. statutes in effect when Obama was born, his mother was too young to impart U.S. citizenship at birth if Obama was born out of the country. The law that was in place between 1952 and 1986 said, "If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14." If Obama was born abroad, he is not a U.S. citizen much less a natural born citizen ... unless his mother was legally unwed. Sorry, but you wasted a lot of words on a faulty post.

ksdb
ksdb

You don't have to be born in the United States to obtain a birth certificate. Obama certainly obtained a birth certificate prior to June 6, 2007. Where is the birth documentation he used to apply for that passport?? Why can Gov. Abercrombie NOT find Obama's original birth certificate?? You ask for proof Obama has been naturalized?? His passport and possible naturalization records are no more public than his elusive birth records?? Instead of presuming he is a U.S. citizen, let's see the proof and not redacted jpgs.

ksdb
ksdb

You're just making excuses now and trying to save face. Obama's jpg is NOT a legal birth certificate, nor is it an original birth certificate unless you think he did not have a birth certificate prior to June 6, 2007. Chiyome Fukino said that she saw the state had an 'original birth certificate' on record bit Gov. Abercrombie can't seem to find it. Do you think it's unreasonable to ask for this document Fukino said she saw?? Why assume it would not be sufficient proof for skeptics when nothing close has ever been presented??

ksdb
ksdb

Steve-o, the U.S. Constitution says, "The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." There is NO court or legal source that outweighs the SCOTUS. They provided us a specific and plain definition of natural born citizen and used it on more than one occasion. There is no more 'reputable legal source.'

"all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens ..."

What part of that is not reputable to you??

MP
MP

To birthers: Natural born citizenship does not just mean born in the country. John McCain was born in an area that was not U.S. territory; people there did not have automatic citizenship. Because of his parentage, he had citizenship from birth, and thus was able to run for President. No different than Obama /EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN KENYA/.

As for something being defined OUTSIDE of the Constitution and OUTSIDE of U.S. Statutes. There are only three places something can be defined under U.S. Law. The Constitution, Federal or State law (depending on the issue, here Federal), or Court rulings. NBC has been defined at various times by statutes, and by court cases.

Now, for some facts: "Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the naturalization act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth"or" by birth.[18]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

As stated earlier, current U.S. Statutes (gasp, laws defining things, just like they're supposed to) says that a person is a U.S. Citizen /at birth/ if one parent is a citizen and one is not, so long as the following conditions are met:

1) His Citizen parent lived in the U.S. for at least five years sometime prior to the birth AND2) Two of those years were after the Citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.

Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was in classes at the University of Hawaii when she met her future husband in 1960. She had lived her entire life in the U.S., and never lived in Hawaii while it was not a state (since it became one in 1959, and they moved in 1960). She was born in 1942. So she had lived in the U.S. for a period of at least five years, two of which were after her 14th birthday.

Because of this even if she had, in 1960 or even 1959 or 1958 for that matter, moved to Kenya with Obama's father and given birth, he would still have been eligible for U.S. Citizenship at his birth, and thus been natural born.

Just to repeat: Under U.S. Law, and under the information provided by the Congressional Research Service, nearly all major legal authorities, and the U.S. court system when they /threw out/ the birther lawsuit as frivolous, Natural Born Citizen does include people who were born outside of the United States so long as they were entitled to citizenship from the moment of their birth. Under immigration law, Obama was entitled to Citizenship from his birth. So if he was born in the US: Natural Born Citizen. If he was born in Kenya: Natural Born Citizen. If he was born on Mars: Natural Born Citizen. Same as me, same as John McCain.

ksdb
ksdb

mikky, your premise fails in a couple of ways. For TWO years, most political experts presumed Hillary Clinton would be the Democrat nominee and that Obama was nothing more than a feel-good novelty. Bush had no reason to snoop into Obama's bona fides ... plus, Obama didn't show his alleged COLB until Hillary conceded in June 2008.

Further, Bush lost political capital after the 2006 election. The Democrat majority in Congress would not have idly let Bush employ the CIA, FBI and NSA to chase after a political candidate's background. He was already being crucified over things like Gitmo, wiretapping and so-called illegal wars (which you mention yourself).

Third, no partisan is going to risk being labeled as a racist, which has already come up 10 times in the comments section of this story. Bush already had to fight the race card over Katrina.

It's time you faithers quit making excuses and rationalizations when it is Obama's own failure to prove himself and nobody else.

not a birther
not a birther

Why cant we see his long form birth certificate? He has not produced it, its the only one that does prove where he was born, the hospital, and has the docs X on it. Thats the question, the first governor said she saw it, now this governor says he will show it to us, then, he says he cant find it????????? WTF?????? He may feel the same way I did when I found out santa clause was fake. Obama could have ended this 2 years ago. Its easy, show us the LONG FORM birth certificate. Were you born in Hawaii or Kenya??? The longer this guy stalls, the less credibility he has.

ksdb
ksdb

Kanon, you've got this backwards. Faithers are so gullible they believe any and every claim made by Obama even though he cannot produce a legal document to back it up ... nor can the governor of Hawaii who has direct access to the vital records. This is the same type of blind faith employed by those who believe in Bigfoot, Nessie, Chupacabra and the Easter Bunny. Faithers must put their teeth under their pillows desperately waiting for the Tooth Fairy, which explains why they can't make a coherent argument to pardon Obama's lack of proper credentials.

George
George

I love OBAMA! I live basically here for free!! I don't have to pay taxes especially for my education, and if someone asks me for my papers... I can scream raciest and the media will back me up no matter what! It is hilarious

Mesh
Mesh

If you think the fluoride is there to addle your brain cells, you are a birther. You are a nut job, who sees hidden Communists behind every thing that does not have a huge American flag coming out of its rear end.

Steve-o
Steve-o

Well, first off, the document comes from before Obama was president. The question of his birth status came up during the campaign, so he requested and received his official birth certificate from the State of Hawaii, provided it to independent media who verified it, and posted images of it online. All before he was ever elected president.

But you're right that it's easy to forge documents - birthers have done that with a couple of fake Kenyan birth certificates which were very quickly proved to be forgeries (didn't stop Orly from filing them in a legal proceeding, but what the hey - honest has never been her strongpoint). But forging a document that is publicly vouched for by officials from the state of Hawaii? Republican officials? Including the Republican governor of Hawaii who took time out from campaigning for McCain, Obama's opponent, to say that Obama was born in Hawaii? Yeah... that's plausible...

Mesh
Mesh

Because ... why? Are you the official authority on birth certificates? If not, STFU! You lost the freakin' election, and you are just a whiny twit wanting a recount.

Face it! You are a loser!

Joe
Joe

That's right, folks. His parents called...from Africa...to Hawaii...shortly after his birth to have a fake birth announcement posted. They knew that one day he would run for President, and that he would need secondary proof to back up his fake birth certificate. But you, ksdb, saw right through that ploy. I commend you, sir....

ksdb
ksdb

Quick edit ... this post is supposed to be addressed to SomeRandomGuy ... and it's supposed to say you don't have to be born in the United States to obtain a passport (although the other part is true too ... see case of Sun Yat Sen). Obama certainly obtained a PASSPORT prior to June 2007, so the question is what birth documentation did he use to get that passport?? Where is it??

SomeRandomGuy
SomeRandomGuy

Given that Obama has a US passport. He is a US citizen.The following requirements for a passport.1. Fill Out Form DS-11: Application For A U.S. Passport2. Submit Completed Form DS-11 In Person3. Submit Evidence of U.S. Citizenship4. Present Identification5. Submit a Photocopy of the Identification Document(s) Presented (Step 4)6. Pay the Applicable Fee7. Provide Two Passport Photos

The Evidence required for a passport is the following.* Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport* Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state** Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth * Naturalization Certificate* Certificate of Citizenship

Currently in hawaii the only type of the birth certificate that you can get is the COLB.Obama camps and the Hawaiian government says that is enough proof of his birth in the US.

Where is your proof that Obama has been naturalized?Where is your proof that Obama was not bestowed citizenship upon birth.Being bestowed citizenship upon birth is the definition of Natural-born citizen I am using here.

yahoo-CO5M2GFB765YDQIXRQOJ73F2AI
yahoo-CO5M2GFB765YDQIXRQOJ73F2AI

No, wrong again, but thanks for playing. The SCOTUS said quite clearly in the Wong Kim Ark case that the citizenship of the parents is irrelevant if the person is born in the U.S., under U.S. jurisdiction.

Ankeny doesn't change this or try to overrule anything - they're pointing out explicitly that this is what the SCOTUS, the highest legal authority in the land, has already said (and has been accepted for over a century, I might add).

Zulu360
Zulu360

What a jerk and ignorant person you are. John MCcain was born on the Panama Canal Zone (a US territory at the time). You cannot compare the two. Go back to school and learn your history!

Obama, most likely, was born in Kenya. Birthers should go there and search for the original Birth Certificate; that is, if they keep track of them...

mikkyfinn
mikkyfinn

Doesnt matter who was presumed to be the nominee at all. A person is vetted when they annouce thier intention to run. So no. My premise doesnt fail at all.

mikkyfinn
mikkyfinn

I like that you can agree that Bush and Co. were absolutely the worst administration to have ever been appointed.

Umesh Singh
Umesh Singh

Of course it never occurred to you that he is not so much stalling as he is trying to ignore you ignorant b.llsh.t artists??? I'm betting 100 to 1 you've never so much as thought about birth certificates until a black man ran for POTUS.

Steve-o
Steve-o

Even that ridiculously improbably scenario isn't possible - the birth announcements in the papers come from the county from officially recorded births. They don't put them there just because someone "calls them in."

Steve-o
Steve-o

Yes, he would have had to supply documentation when he got his passport. So what? Maybe he lost it. Maybe he just doesn't want to show it to you because he enjoys birthers looking foolish. Whatever. None of that matters. What DOES matter is that he has provided a copy of his official, legal birth certificate, issued by the state of Hawaii, and vouched for by officials from the state. To claim anything else matter is just because you're graspling at straws trying to find some excuse for why you can't accept him as the legitimate president of the United States.

Joe
Joe

Hey ksdb, what about the birth announcements in the local Honolulu newspapers in 1961 when Obama was born there? Did the modern-day Democrats go back in a time machine and place the announcements there? Your postings here indicate severe social disorientation.

ksdb
ksdb

yahoo, sorry, but Justice Gray acknowledged the relevance of the citizenship of the parents in Wong Kim Ark in affirming the Minor decision (which I've quoted several times). Here it is again for your benefit. Learn it and understand it.

"The decision in that case was that a woman born of citizen parents within the United States was a citizen of the United States ..."

A woman BORN OF CITIZEN PARENTS ... it's very clear. Second, even for applying the 14th amendment to citizenship at birth, Justice Gray still said the parents needed to have permanent residence and domicil (something that did not apply to Barak Sr.). Read and learn>

" ... whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States ..."

Ankeny, which you mentioned, contradicted itself. It acknowledges very clearly that Wong Kmi Ark did not declare its plaintiff to be a natural born citizen. Again, read and learn.

"We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language ..."

Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, did link his definition of natural born citizen directly to Article II Section I. Read and learn:

"This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that "no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President," and that Congress shall have power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization. The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

mikkyfinn
mikkyfinn

I'm using this space to reply to ksbd's follow up. There is no "idea" of vetting. Presidential candidates are thoroughly investigated to as a pre-emtive measure to this exact thing. As for his close family member having access his records. You're just full of shit really. Nobody has access to your medical information except direct family members. Seriously, do you think you can walk into a hiospital and get someones birth cirtificate just because you know them really really well? if this sounds logical to you then I think I've figured out your problem. You're stupid.

ksdb
ksdb

mikky, you're employing circular logic. The idea of vetting takes on many forms, but this doesn't mean every detail of a person's life automatically comes to the surface and is treated honestly. Why would we expect Bush or Hillary to find Obama's original birth certificate, for example, when Obama's own personal family friend ... who has DIRECT ACCESS to the vital records ... can NOT find it??

not a birther
not a birther

Bush and Obama are the 2 worst administrations, so yes I agree. Where are the anti war protestors??? 3 billion a week in Iraq and Afganland? Obama ramping up troops???? How is he any different? He is Bush 2. And for the race card 768, is that all you got? You sure cant talk about facts, so ok everyone with a different opinion is in the KKK.How do you know that Im not African American? Do I write like a CRACKER? I bet you thought when Obama came to power, you would get a free car, apartment-house, Obama money. Hows that working for you? Hows the job market, where did the bailout money go ( international banks, trillions )? What does the USA produce, nothing.What do you do after college ( no jobs, grad school, then more no jobs)? How come obama makes sure goldman sacs gets to loot all our money? Where are the shovel ready jobs? Where is the Obama utopia? How come you think a black man is immune from being a white collar criminal? Why are black conservatives treated like dog shit? The race card is all you got because its all you see, RACE. Look at what he does, not what he looks like, not what he says. BUSH 2 you jackass.

ksdb
ksdb

Steve-o, the county records births whether they're from in state or out of state. We know this from annual natality reports. In 1961, Hawaii counted 336 births that occurred to Hawaiians and part-Hawaiians who were residing out of state. 92 births were registered in Honolulu County that were unattended and place of birth was NOT specified. This means these children could have been born anywhere. But once they are registered, there's nothing that would prevent these births from being published in the newspapers.

Mesh
Mesh

But in another time dimension ... from an alternate universe ... he could have reached back and planted a fake birth certificate ... yeah ... that's it ...

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