A Krummy Weekend for Diocese of Orange

• Good bye all. It has been a great pleasure talking to all of you. I have learned alot from you I do hope all of you have productive happy lives. The best always.

• You are right. I don't think we should fight amoung ourselves. I don't care how you adress me. I would just like to stop the hatred that is expressed in this thread. It appears that nothing I can stay would stop how you feel. You look for things in my writing to make resposes back. I am sad that it is all you got out of it. Go about your business hating all of us and I will go about mine. I do wish you all well. I didn't approve of father Urell's actions. Just a possible very human response. He is not God and neither am I. I wasn't there, and neither were you.

• You have just defended Urell's actions against a young child and that is totally unacceptable to me. Many others besides myself have the same experience in Urell's office. Now that you have defended Urell, you have elevated yourself to a much higher level of unacceptable behavior. You yourself are now officially a defender of evil. You yourself said your own mother wouldn't allow Urell in your own home. Yet you have chosen to justify his actions. You are going to have to more that what you said you were going to do which was to stick around and HOPE things get better. I'm through trying to seek justice. It aint gonna happen. You KNOW there are priests which still exist in the diocese. I myself have challenged you to go to St. Timothy in Laguna Beach. It's up to you to clean your own house. I tried and got sued for it. People are afraid to come forward because they cant afford it. Tell me how Fr. Baird was able to hire OJ Simpson's lawyers to sue me? Yet he claimed poverty when it came to paying his penalty for being in the wrong.. I dare you to try going up against the Diocese and their "Catholic coalition". All you have done in this thread is move the attention away from the subject at hand to put the focus on yourself and what a big meanie I am being to you. First it was Gustavo and then me. This all started because you don't like Gustavo's blog, the blog you keep logging into. If you dont like it, you dont have to read it.. that is how this all started. Then you said goodbye then you said it was the American Way to return or whatever it was. Why return? Because you are getting some kind of sick thrill out of looking attacked and telling victims they deserved to be thrown out of offices? Hell yes I am angry. It took me over 25 years to get this mad and until the rest of you do, nothing will change. Arguing with you is like being in Junior High. I'm just waiting for you to say "twinkle twinkle little star what you say is what you are" or "im rubber your glue what you say bounces off me and sticks to you" Ignorance is bliss.. so revel in your blissfulness and go give Urell a big hug and tell him you understand how he could have turned away all of us young teens crying for help. I think there is a "friends of Urell" club you can join to offer your support and prayers. You obviously want to have the last word so go for it. Here is your chance.. You have been exposed as the pedo-priest apologist enabler that you are. My work here is done. I refuse to lower myself to your elementary level of comprehension. You have done more damage to your side than I would have ever expected. I'm sure the Bishop is embarrassed knowing he is being defended by people like you. It does him more harm than good. You are talking about "serious misdemenors" HA! how about serious FELONIES that the bishops are aware of yet do nothing but cover up and shuffle around. You accused Gustavo of aiding and abetting. It seems you can dish the accusations and insults out but cant take it. Bye Bye.. Hope your next post is a good one so it will appear you were able to shut me down cuz I aint gonna respond to you no more. It's futile and pointless. If they can get us to fight amongst ourselves we will forget what the point was altogether. I bet you don't even remember the title of this blog post or the name of the priest it was about because now its all about you. The attacks began with you attacking the Gustavo and the direction of his blog which you didn't like. Maybe you should start your own blog called "Say only nice things to John dot com"

• Thank you for your extended explaination of ex- communication. I stand corrected by Cannon Law and its application. I still don't think it was applied in this case. If I was father Urell and I had to listen to these things over and over, I would have been in the bath room throwing up half the time. To listen and carry the sins of a diocese would be tough for any priest.

• Lori. The "reckless endangerment" definition I posted was for you and how it could be applied to your situation and others. I was not thinking of anything to do with me. If you would stop your attacks for a moment and think I think you would find the term useful. If priest still exist in the diocese, and they are being protected by others, this application of law to them. It is a serious misdemenor that holds alot of weight. It can also lead to some other serious charges. You make it very tough to speak for your side seeking justice while still perserving my faith. Hold your hate for a second and think about it.

• Excommunication can be either ferendae sententiae (declared as the sentence of an ecclesiastical court) or, far more commonly, latae sententiae (automatic, incurred at the moment the offensive act takes place). The excommunicant is still considered Christian and a Catholic as the character imparted by baptism is indelible. Their communion with the Church, however, is considered gravely impaired.[1] In the Catholic Church, formal excommunication is normally resolved by a statement of repentance, profession of the Creed (if the offense involved heresy), or a renewal of obedience (if that was a relevant part of the offending act) by the excommunicant; the declaration of the reconciliation itself, by a priest or bishop empowered to do this; and then the reception of the sacrament of Reconciliation. In many cases, this whole process takes place within the privacy of the confessional and during the same act of confession. Offenses that incur excommunication must be absolved by a priest or bishop empowered to lift the penalty. This is usually the local ordinary (bishop or vicar general) or priests whom the local ordinary designates (in many dioceses, most priests are empowered to lift most excommunications otherwise reserved to the bishop, notably that involved with abortion). The Catholic Church, especially during the Middle Ages, was obliged to issue formal pronouncements of excommunication in regard to officials and monarchs who had personally excommunicated themselves from the Catholic Church. After the Protestant Reformation, in which many people left the Church and formed new denominations, many princes announced the separation themselves and the practice was discontinued. An analogous penalty, interdict, arose as a form of excommunication of a whole area, barring celebration of the sacraments in a town or region. Before the 1983 Code of Canon Law, there were two degrees of excommunication: vitandus (shunned, literally "to be avoided", where the person had to be avoided by other Catholics), and toleratus (tolerated, which permitted Catholics to continue to have business and social relationships with the excommunicant). This distinction no longer applies today, and excommunicated Catholics are still under obligation to attend Mass, even though they are barred from receiving the Eucharist and from taking active part in the liturgy (reading, bringing the offerings, etc.).[2] Indeed, the excommunicant is encouraged to retain some relationship with the Church, as the goal is to encourage them to repent and return to active participation in its life. In the Middle Ages, formal acts of public excommunication were accompanied by a ceremony wherein a bell was tolled (as for the dead), the Book of the Gospels was closed, and a candle snuffed out - hence the idiom "to condemn with bell, book and candle." Such ceremonies are rarely, if ever, held today, but exactly the same principles apply. Only in cases where a person's excommunicable offense is very public and likely to confuse people is a person's excommunicated status even announced, and that usually by a simple statement from a Church official.

• Lori. The "reckless endangerment" definition I posted was for you and how it could be applied to your situation and others. I was not thinking of anything to do with me. If you would stop your attacks for a moment and think I think you would find the term useful. If priest still exist in the diocese, and they are being protected by others, this application of law to them. It is a serious misdemenor that holds alot of weight. It can also lead to some other serious charges. You make it very tough to speak for your side seeking justice while still perserving my faith. Hold your hate for a second and think about it.

• definition of Excommunication.. Definition of Excommunication... "Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive or suspend membership in a religious community. The word literally means putting [someone] out of communion. In some religions, excommunication includes spiritual condemnation of the member or group. Censures and sanctions sometimes follow excommunication; these include banishment, shunning, and shaming, depending on the religion, the offense that caused excommunication, or the rules or norms of the religious community."

• Lori. Just because apriest chases you out of his office, that is not an ex-communication. As to the people who DID NOT KNOW, they have done nothing to you yet you condemn them anyway. Priests are human beings. They make mistakes and they are going to have bad days. They are human, they are imperfect. An ex-communication would have to be directed from rome. I think we would have heard about it. VERBAL ABUSE, like name calling and refering to other parties in a slang and derogatory fashion is what I was refering to. You do it quite well. If you talk to father Urell the way you talk to me I am not suprised he kicked you out of the office.

• John you in your own words just said in your last post "I repeat. I am defending a faith and people who knew and did nothing...." you are defending a faith and people who KNEW.. and DID NOTHING... exactly my point. Case closed.

• ok I looked up "reckless endangerment" .. "In US law, reckless endangerment is a type of crime involving conduct that is wrongful and reckless or wanton, and likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm to another person. The offense is intended to prohibit and therefore deter reckless or wanton conduct that wrongfully creates a substantial risk of death or serious injury to others. * Reckless endangerment: A person commits the crime of reckless endangerment if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The ultimate question is whether, under all the circumstances, the accused�s conduct was of that heedless nature that made it actually or imminently dangerous to the safety of others." so apparently your safety is in imminent danger by my opinions? oh my.. you just keep proving my point over and over.. So I suggest you all try an experiment and not donate your money for awhile and see how pure their intentions really are. The church newsletters always post their monthly monetary needs and whether they have fallen short or not. I challenge you to prove your hypothesis correct and see who runs for the hills and who joins you out in your field. Have you even seen Bishop Brown's home???? Take the money away and you don't have a "Catholic" church. And my solution is to expose it for what it is. It's not religion in general, other denominations may have some of the same issues but not to the degree of the Catholics. Why do you think if someone says they were abused at church everyone knows they are talking about Catholic church.. people don't even need to ask "oh what church did that happen in?" it's the Catholic church in particular. A church which gives mortal man supernatural powers to turn wine and wafers into the body and blood of Christ. Powers to offer absolution of sins. Lenihan himself went to the LA Times as "father x" and said in his own words that it was the vow of celibacy which was causing all the problems and that if Catholic priests were allow to marry, perhaps the incidence of molestations would decrease... Catholic priests are turning to Episcopalian churches to continue their spiritual journey yet not be bound by the crazy Catholic rituals. Religion and spiritually will endure but the people are the ones who must dictate with their wallets what they are willing to tolerate. The Catholics are apparently willing to tolerate sexual abuse. It couldn't be exposed anymore than it has been in the past 10 years yet the Catholics don't seem to care.

• Isuggest you look up the term "reckless endangerment" I believe you will find the defenition and use of terms most helpful. I hope I spelled that right. I repeat. I am defending a faith and people who knew and did nothing to you or anyone else. As far as being over my head, I have tried to conduct myself in a reasonable fasion, while being verbally attacked by various indivdual with opinions on my sight, head and emotional status. As far as the Catholic Church being a money machine, I don't look at it that way. A church is a place where we go as a group to worship God. That is all. If it goes broke and we have to gather in a field for mass, so much the better. I like the open air. The church has survived many crisis. You can be part of the problem or part of the solution. Your solution is to kill it. Mine is to fix it.

• John.. first you call Gustavo an abuser in your post "the man who points his finger at abusers has now become the abuser" and now you call me one? You throw that word around with no regard to what it means. John Urell threw me out of the church and told me never to return when I turned to him for help. He also made himself "unavailable" to the sheriffs department on their many visits to Marywood to interview him regarding what he knew and did or did not do. The Bishop could have insisted that Urell fess up, but he didn't. Gustavo has been a voice for the victims. He has been the only one to put into print what the diocese would rather you not know. So much for transparency. Out of sight out of mind (excuse the pun) is a better term. The church thrives and lives off the small mindedness of it's followers who would rather turn a blind eye to reality and believe their sins are forgiven by some imaginary god who loves them unconditionally as long as you give him money. So Gustavo is an abuser, I am an abuser.. well here is the definition.. abuse (? byo??o?z?; for n., ? byo??o?s?) transitive verb abused abused?, abusing abus?�ing 1. to use wrongly; misuse to abuse a privilege 2. to hurt by treating badly; mistreat 3. to inflict physical, sexual, or psychological harm upon Etymology: ME abusen < OFr abuser < L abusus, pp. of abuti, misuse < ab-, away, from + uti, to use noun 1. mistreatment, esp. by the infliction of physical, sexual, or psychological harm; injury 2. a bad, unjust, or corrupt custom or practice 3. Obsolete deception You are in way over your head and don't even have a clue what you are trying to defend. You are using incorrect terminology to make moot points, it's almost embarrassing.

• Bishop Brown wont accept any calls from victim/survivors. He refers them to his legal team. The Diocese legal team wont allow Brown to speak directly to any victims. One victim wrote to Brown saying they didn't want money, just a way to get involved to help make it stop. Brown chose to pay them off instead.

• Lori. Do you think your abusive attitude toward me will solve the problem either? I have noted your and others hostility toward me. Name calling never solved anything and just created greater bariers between people. This is the first time of have heard the word ex-communicated in your case. Who did that, and for what reason? Please let me know. You seem to have your own club here and you don't like new members. Especially those who don't agree with you. I will not waste my time calling you and others names because it serves no useful purpose. I have learned alot from individuals just by having these discussions. You may think of me in all the rude terms you have used above. I don't think of you that way and why should I. You have done nothing that I can see to deserve it. In a way you have now become an abuser. I didn't do anything to you either. Please let me know about the circumstantces of the ex-communication. I am notthe enemy.

• 'it is eye who pity you"?... enough said! Mistakes like that aren't made because you can't see. Your ignorance has nothing to do with your vision. There are many forms of blindness.. and I think you embody more than one. A typo is one thing if you can't see a keyboard or screen well, but not a grammatical error.. sorry to burst your bubble or your lame excuse. btw, your typos are underlined in red and if you right click them, you can chose the word out of a list. If it was as easy as just calling Brown out, it would have been done by now. If it's true that you blind followers have read all the facts and newspaper articles (even though you are blind), and yet you still chose to participate, then there is nothing I cant do. You, by your own free will, are keeping the evil alive and supporting it with your money. So be it. Enjoy. If you think writing a letter to the Pope is helpful, remember it was the Pope who dictated to the Bishops how to handle these situations.. quietly and without causing attention or bringing scandal. In other words, just move them somewhere else. I am angry at the ignorance. Your ignorance. Only time can change the course of this path. It may not be in our lifetime, but our children's children will hopefully one day say.. "enough is enough" I know my children have, and that is what I consider "doing my part" the cycle ended with me. The Catholic church is nothing but a money making machine. The leaders know the truth, but choose to keep the illusion and myth alive as long as there are blind followers like yourself. It is you who need to form the delegation and go knocking on doors now, not me. I was excommunicated in 1982 when I first reached out for help. I'm not part of your club anymore. The Catholic church will implode upon itself. Do you think when Lenihan wrote his letter to the Pope asking to be let out of the priesthood because of his sins and the Pope approved it, that the Pope contacted anyone for justice to be served.. NO. It is you who should call out your leader for not following through on his promises of full transparency. getting into a discussion with you on this doesn't seem fair. I don't think you have the ability to comprehend the whole situation. But then again, you are also a mascot for your people's point of view too.. Blind ignorance. PS. I typed this with my I's closed.

• Lori."It isn't my web-site "is the correct phrase. Being blind does pose for me a problem. If you pity us fools and anger and hatred is all you have left, it is eye who pity you. As for leaving, I changed my mind. It is the American way!! I know who you are. I was still a member of Holy Family before I moved into St. Norbert's parish. I read the article in the register. I did not write the statue of limitations. I abide by the laws of the state. We don't take priest out of the rectory and stone them anymore. We have to rely on the civil authorities to handle the problem. If you feel you have been lied to or betrayed, why don'r you form a delegation and go knocking on the rectory door at Holy Family? I don't know the promises that Bishop Brown made you, but if he didn't do what he said he would, call him on it.

• I see nothing much has changed. The diocese supports yet another pedo while John Neelis waits for a criminal prosecution of the few bad apples that will never ever materialize. And still no spell-check.

• WOW! FROM HOLIER THAN THOU TO MARTYR IN ONE DAY! IT'S A MIRACLE!!

• it's spelled "regards' and it ain't my website. Elizabeth.. i know about the "ex" part.. it was supposed to be a double entendre to make a point.. sorry it was lost on you. I don't hate the catholic church.. i pity the fools.

• Lori. Sorry aboutthe way you feel about me, I don't feel the same way about you. You are obviously angry, and I don't blame you. Just as you hate the Catholic church you now express your anger on me. I think you missed something in my writings. I am all for a just solution to the problem. If it was in my hands justice would be swift and binding. Unfortunately, it is not. Since you want me off your website, I will leave peacfully and wish you all a good and fulfilling life. My best reguards. The Idiot.

• Pro Cathedra doesn't mean anything. Ex Cathedra refers to speaking with the authority of one's office, such as the Pope does when invoking infallibility. (The last time infallibility was used was by Pope Pius IX in 1854 regarding the Immaculate Conception.) The Catholic Church has had a long history of scandals over the centuries and has been forced to deal with them. Obviously now is another one of those times. The child abuse accounts by the survivors are true, heinous, incredibly sad, and incomprehensible. But are the civilian members of the Church supposed to just pack it in and give up? Isn't there any way things can be made better? I've always thought that the Church on Earth was run by human beings, and humans that we are, we are capable of great wrong-doings. But that is all we've got, people to run things, not God Himself. Also, I think it is better to be open-minded and listen to what people have to say on this blog. Nobody has to agree with every opinion that's expressed.

• Hey John. Do you want to do something PRO active? Go to St. Timothy's in Laguna Beach and ask Monsignor Lawrence Baird why he said to the press he would take a polygraph but then later refused to. The victim took one and passed 99.9%.. Now if he took one and passed too, you might have something to argue.. but until that day, he is still an offender and active in your community.

• it's called the statute of limitations.. if the priest can molest kids at a young enough age, and scare them from telling anyone long enough.. it's just a matter of time until the statute of limitations will kick in and it becomes too late to prosecute. My molester is walking the streets today because of time. I wasnt the first nor last of his victims but he never had to report himself as a sexual predator either. He could be living next door to your grand kids for all anyone knows. Oh and by the way John, when I told another priest what happened to me hoping for someone to help me.. I was told never to return to the Church ever.. talk about turning away the faithful

• And by the way John, my molester is living happily ever after with his new life.. never spent a night in jail and was a darling of the bishop.. the other 2 priests who lied to protect there asses are still in service in the Orange County dioceses.. believe me, the Bishop knows what they have done, he just doesn't care.

• Dear John Neelis.. This blog is called "EX"-Cathedra.. not "PRO"-Cathedra.. you shouldn't even be reading this thread if you feel the way you do.. so basically what you are trying to do is change the whole concept of this blog. Why not go over to FOX News and tell them they aren't being very nice to Obama either.. Obviously you are searching out this blog and then getting upset at it's contents. Why not go to the Atheist.com site and tell them they are luring people away from organized religion with all their personal beliefs... it's ridiculous. Go to Vegetarian.com and tell them what they are doing to the beef industry. What part of EX dont you understand? You are making a fool of yourself here.. go away. And by the way.. You're stupid comments have done more for revealing small mindedness and "wool over the eyes blind thinking" than Gustavo could ever do! well done (applauding you as I type).. idiot.

• I believe that we are all are on dangerous ground. We are in a very critical point in history. We must act to preserve the good and defeat the evil that has planted itself in our church. The devil wants us to lay down our faith and walk away. I like my ancient greek ancestors refuse to dessert my faith. If we all do not act responsibly and diligently, our children may not have a world to live in.

• John: THANK YOU!! This is exactly what would assist our society, in the interests of justice and all children who will soon be leading the world!!!!

• If it makes anyone feel better, I just e-mailed a letter to the Pope. Please don't laugh. You never know who is listening.

• If the case against Krumm is true and he is prosecuted for it I hope they put him away for a million years. Maybe this will be a turning point for others to come forward and seek justice. I respect your opinion Debbie. It is still my religion. I am going to stick around for the finish. I am hoping for the best for everyone concerned.

• John... as a former parishoner at St. Edward's in Dana Point, instant physical illness set in once Gustavo and the OC Weekly exposed that St. Edward in Dana Point, California, was the ocean front home of the most sexual predator priests in the Diocese of Orange. My children attended school and church at St. Edward's from pre-school through 8th grade... yes, my children were the lucky ones because they escaped heinous sex abuse by Diocesan employees. But damn if I will pretend that because my children escaped sex abuse from known predators at St. Ed's, life is peachy and safe. That will never happen!!! Intelligent individuals and attorneys transferred one sexual predator after another versus doing the right thing... reporting sex crimes to law enforcement as mandated by law. But, the real question is would OC law enforcement officials investigate and prosecute sex crimes committed by Diocesan employees -- probably not! POLITICS rule Orange County and has interfered with the fair administration of justice guaranteed to all Americans. Catholic attorneys, hiding behind Eucharistic minister titles and devoted CCD teachers, have placed precious children in serious danger, with little remorse for the harm they caused. Instead of demanding accountability, Bishop Brown instigated "papal awards" for the enablers of heinous sex crimes last month. Can you imagine? Honoring individuals who protected the Church from public scandal instead of protecting precious children and their unsuspecting families from sex abuse. Shameful, intentional and disgusting are just a few words that describe Bishop Brown and his pedophile enablers. Bishop Brown believes he is somehow a Saint because he authorized the Diocese of Orange to settle dirty sex crime litigation for $100 million plus... shame on him because the clergy abuse scandals are not about money but about doing the right thing--TELLING THE TRUTH. IN MY OPINION, Bishop Brown committed the worst crime of all... believing that MONEY would solve all the filthy truths that hurt so many children and their parents. If Bishop Brown was serious about leading his Diocese to healing and renewal, he would fire those who continue to violate the civil rights of children and employees, without a second thought or any type of remorse. Until ALL Catholics step up to the plate... and demand that Bishop Brown hold enablers accountable for destroying the lives of precious children, no child, employee or family will be safe!!! Without justice there will never be peace. Without peace, faith and our country's laws are empty. Debby Bodkin and family

• Watch the 2006 US Academy Award BEST DOCUMENTARY nominated: 'DELIVER US FROM EVIL'; 2007 Cannes Film Festival Winner: 'VOWS OF SILENCE'; 2008 Critically Acclaimed, & Several Film Festival Awards, Including Sundance & Toronto Film Festivals: 'GOYA'S GHOSTS'. The record is there of overt curia unpunished guilt and criminality, you merely need to watch a few DVD's.

• www.bishop-accountability.org/abusetracker for DAILY verified and vetted reporting on the Diocese Of Orange & Tod Brown Pedo Cult, The Rog "Mahal" Mahony Sister (maybe cross-dressing?) Pedo Cult (El Norte in LA), and rubber-stamping by former SF Pedo Enabler, Aid & Abettor, Racketeer, Liar, Thief, & Now Holy Inquisition (CDF) Prelate, Bill "Darth" Leveda. The USCCB (Unremoved Sexual Criminal Cabal Bishops) & Roman "La Cosa Nostra" Pedo Curia Cult are the primary cause of the continued and uncorrected sexual assault of hundreds of thousands of children, annually, globally. THE SOLUTION? "STOP DONATING LAITY" as St. Peter Damien, correctly asserted, and was canonized for. Edmund Burke reminds each of us: "The only condition for the triumph of evil is for good men (or women) to do nothing." There is no middle ground here laity, you are either a financial supporter of these pervasive pedo miters and red hats, or you are not. HOW WILL YOU ANSWER YOUR MAKER?! Fiat Lux & Veritas! Albino Luciani, MURDERED POPE

• Keep reading, John. That's all I have to say. I couldn't be more specific in my articles if you gave me a dartboard with Brown's face dead center�and I'm deadly with a shot.

• Victoria. I am so sorry for what happened to you. I hope the parties responsible for what happened were or are broughtto justice. This is an ugly time for the church. I am sure there is a special place in hell reserved for these devils. If I were in charge, things would have been different. I am glad you found God. I am sorry you were driven from the Catholic Church in this manner. I want these devils out of my Church and if I had my way, out of the human race. I have to rely on the civil authorities to handle these crimes. We cannot as laity act as a mob. I for one would not mind taking the person or persons that are responsible for your harm out of his church and stone him. The thought is hardly good enough. These people need to be exposed for what they are and eliminated, period. Like I said before, the Devil is loose in my church and I want him out!! I wish you only the best in Life. Take Care.

• John, I am one of those lost children of the church. I was sexually victimized inside the church, in the Presence of the Blessed Sacrament. I used to kneel afterwards and Pray to die because living was so hard. I was then revictimized by those who covered up the crimes of this pedophile priest; I was beaten, screamed at and threatened with commission to an insane asylum if I Ever "TOLD". I didn't speak to GOD for years because I was so angry that he allowed these things to happen to me. And that I was punished, tortured and tormented, while those guilty people received no punishment at all. When the pedophile priest left our parish, he was sent to another church with a school; along with plenty more victims to choose from. Good News! I found my way back to GOD; but I am no longer a slave held cative by Catholic Clergy and Lowerarchy Scum who control the Faithful by means of Intimidation, Superstition and Fear. As for Gustavo, lighting "Votives"? There is also no need for, "Incendiary" forms of worship, which only came about in the olden days because that was a good way to get money from the poorest of the poor by use of offering them they could afford....a penny candle and a prayer. Salvation for only a penny???? Such A Bargain!!!!!

• You are definately more articulate then I could be and your articles are quite informative. So your quest is to make Catholics stop supporting their churches. That is quite a quest. It is common knowledge in John's Book of Revelations that satan would attack the church. What better way to attempt to destroy a faith then from within. We live in a democracy butthe Church is no democracy. That is why we have to rely on the civil authorities to handle such matters. We do not elect our leaders, they are assigned to us. They are expected to act within the laws of tha state. If they don't they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us. The priest above if convicted will pay the price as would anyone else. As far as your kind offer of St. Jude Thaddeus, I appreciate your kind offer. Someone from the Almightys court has already paid me and my wife a visit in person. When you have had that experience, please contact me. We will then have a common point of reference for discussion. If you feel that your reporting on the mis-deeds in the Catholic church is your calling and the way you report them is alright, then I guess you will continue to do so. I would have liked things to be more specific at times. The fault lies with those responsible, not innocent bystanders

• John: I do. ALL Catholics have something to do with this scandal if they're donating money to a hierarchy that, time and time again, has defended, sheltered and spun for pedophile priests and their apologists�or, do you like your tithes being spent on cleaning up crimes of the past? Who am I aiding and abetting? I write for the victims of sex abuse, those who had no voice when they needed one the most. Their thousands of letters and comments to me over the years show me I'm doing the right thing, and your constant whines about leaving the poor wittle Diocese and laity�almost all of which have never done anything to comfort sex-abuse victims and usually blame THEM for their own abuse�is further proof of it. I talk to God all the time, and my patron saints the Santo Ni�e Atocha and St. Jude Thaddeus; you should light a votive for the latter, as you definitely need his signature help!

• Tell me Gustavo, when you greet your sister at the door is it,"hello pedo-priest apolgist enabler?" I hope she has a first name. I have read most of your archives. My biggest gripe is you finger pointing with terms like "orange diocese or Mater Dei high school. I resemble both remarks. The Orange diocese consists of 1 Mil plus Catholics. Are you trying to implicate all of us or trying to throw a blanket of shame on all of us? The same goes for Mater Dei. In both cases 99.98% of the people had nothing to do with the subject matter. Some time ago your attitude became flip. We now have a reporter who finger points and uses a blanket agenda to make his point. The man who points to abusers has himself become an abuser. You claim to be a craddle Catholic. I suggest ou get out of your craddle and go down to church. You don't want to have a chat with any priests, but I think your overdue with a series chat with God. With all the blanket accusations that have been made to grab Headlines, I have to ask myself this question. Who are you aiding and abetting for? I wonder how many people, because of your writing have turned their back on their faith? If you must write about ugly happenings in the church, I would hope that you narrow down your target and leave the rest of us out of it.

• Man Alive!!!! It Never Stops!!!! It Never WILL Stop!!!! The Catholic Church Is THE Most Rotten Institution On The FAce of The EArth.

• I wonder when the Red Klownty blog's Matt "Jerbal" Cunningham will start up the "Amgios of Gus Krumm?" Surely that must be in the works by now...

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