Sublime vs. No Doubt? Manager/producer Miguel Happoldt Says 'No Doubt was like Richie Cunningham and Sublime was like Fonzie'

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This is the cassette with the songs that had Sublime going, "HOLY SHIT THEY"RE BLOWING UP"
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No Doubt is back with a retro-new wave album called Push and Shove after a 10-year-hiatus. This week's cover story has the fab four from Anaheim talking about the challenges of making the album and more. According to Tazy Phillips, two bands -- No Doubt and Sublime -- bust the door open for ska in the early '90s. As friends and colleagues, Brad Nowell and Gwen Stefani and co. paved the way for third-wave ska getting radio airplay and going mainstream. Here, Sublime's original manager and producer Miguel Happoldt talks about how the two bands' fates intertwined. 

Guitarist Tom Dumont Was Heavy Metal: I met No Doubt before I met Sublime. We used to rehearse next to them in this place called the Stompbox, in Anaheim. I remember the day Tom auditioned because he used to be all heavy metal, with long hair and all.

On No Doubt Helping Sublime Make It: The way No Doubt and Sublime got hooked up was, the guy who directed the Date Rape video threw a tape - our first demo tape, Jah Won't Pay the Bills - at bassist Tony Kanal onstage. And Tony was blown away by it and he tracked us down and we started playing shows. That was a huge break for us because No Doubt was already well-known and sort of professional. They were like, Fishbone-good, and Sublime was still kind of garage-y. 
 The first time we played with them we showed up late and they made us play last. But they still thought we were pretty good because they kept putting us on shows. With No Doubt helping us though, it was better than anything else we had going on at the time. There was always something going on.

Bradley Nowell on being labeled a ska band: We used to laugh when people said we were ska because Brad never thought that was our scene. That was just one part of cool music that he liked. He liked rap, reggae and punk rock just as much and he always said, "Ska? Whatever, we're just a band."

On No Doubt, then and now: On one end they were the coolest people we'd ever met in terms of humility. It's cliche but they're such cool people to this day. I could pick up the phone and call Tony right now. We're so stoked for their success. They're a great band, so they were going to do good, whether in the ska scene or not.

Sublime vs. No Doubt? There was no competition-- there was no chance. They were always rehearsed, all the songs arranged, they looked good, you know what I mean? Sublime showed up in the van half-drunk and played whatever they wanted to. Sublime loved that about No Doubt and No Doubt loved that about Sublime. No Doubt was like Richie Cunningham and Sublime was like Fonzie. Brad admired the professionalism. He said, "One day we're going to have to be like that."

That Classic Sublime/No Doubt Moment: One time we were at Aspen and we showed up at a show really late. But we had an excuse--we just rolled our van! While we were telling them, "Just 35 minutes ago, we were upside down in our van," we were drinking beer trying to calm our nerves. And they're doing stretches, putting together tight set lists, Gwen's doing her vocal exercises. And we just almost died and we're just drinking beer. And two minutes later we went onstage to play.

On No Doubt opening for Sublime that once (If you missed it, read it online here): I kind of felt deflated that night when I had to pay them to open for us. It was like, if you guys can't make it, how are we going to make it? But as Flea said, "You're only a verse and a chorus away from greatness." Even if Brad lived we probably never would've caught up to them, because they were first, you know? They were already huge when Sublime was a garage band.

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909Jeff
909Jeff

regardless... I was there at the Warped tour in 95 when Gwen came out and performed with Sublime... (while Lou Dog roamed the crown) It will probably be one of my all time concert memories right behind the ten or so times that I've seen Tool.

Dàrth Pöwers
Dàrth Pöwers

Sublime actually mentions Fountain Valley in a song but No Doubt has Gwen..hmm I give up...who's better?

Tara Messelt
Tara Messelt

considering no doubt has all their original members its not a comparison! no doubt!!

Tara Messelt
Tara Messelt

considering no doubt has all their original members its not a comparison! no doubt!!

Matt Seaholm
Matt Seaholm

this is a retarded comparison, i refuse to take part in choosing a side since they're incomparable. i think i know why O.C. weekly is a free magazine now.

Matt Seaholm
Matt Seaholm

this is a retarded comparison, i refuse to take part in choosing a side since they're incomparable. i think i know why O.C. weekly is a free magazine now.

Matt Seaholm
Matt Seaholm

this is a retarded comparison, i refuse to take part in choosing a side since they're incomparable. i think i know why O.C. weekly is a free magazine now.

Davey Sandoval
Davey Sandoval

Ah ha. Nice try. Can't get me with your trick question. Sublime, there's no other choice to make.

Josh Pillow
Josh Pillow

Oh my dog is on stage to distract you from how horrible we sound live. No guy!

Josh Pillow
Josh Pillow

No Doubt by a mile. Sublime could never play with the energy or talent they showed on their albums. Why? Bradley was a f'n junkie who would half ass their live shows. Broggae was one of the worst genres of music ever.

Josh Pillow
Josh Pillow

No Doubt by a mile. Sublime could never play with the energy or talent they showed on their albums. Why? Bradley was a f'n junkie who would half ass their live shows. Broggae was one of the worst genres of music ever.

Andre Miller
Andre Miller

hahaha....Ms. Flores no need for the name calling....I didn't mean to bust your little bubble..just giving you some info!

Jill Alisa Carabba
Jill Alisa Carabba

I have that cassette single pictured in the article! :) Love em both, for different reasons. I agree, Sublime is the fonze, ND the red headed nerd, though both are awesome in their own ways. Thanks for the reminder, btw. I needed a Sublime afternoon. Also, not sure I will be paying 60-75 bucks to see ND this time around, though I would for Bradley and Sublime in a heartbeat, so I guess that's my answer.

Jill Alisa Carabba
Jill Alisa Carabba

I have that cassette single pictured in the article! :) Love em both, for different reasons. I agree, Sublime is the fonze, ND the red headed nerd, though both are awesome in their own ways. Thanks for the reminder, btw. I needed a Sublime afternoon. Also, not sure I will be paying 60-75 bucks to see ND this time around, though I would for Bradley and Sublime in a heartbeat, so I guess that's my answer.

Tazy Phyllipz
Tazy Phyllipz

Depends what qualities it is based on. If it's Musical abilities then I would definitely say No Doubt! However, if it was shear physical brutal force, then I would definitely pick Sublime. :)

Andre Miller
Andre Miller

@Eric Wilson....Tracklist: 01) New Rewind Selector Intro 02) Decendents -> Sublime (Hope) 03) Grateful Dead -> Sublime (Scarlet Begonias) 04) Sublime -> Toots and the Maytals (5446) 05) Bob Marley -> Sublime (Do it Twice/Boss DJ) 06) Bad Brains -> Sublime (House of Suffering) 07) Peter Tosh -> Sublime (Legalize it) 08) The Melodians -> Sublime (Rivers of Babylon) 09) Bob Marley -> Sublime (One Cup) -> Bob Marley -> Sublime (Judge Not) 10) Bad Religion -> Sublime (We're only Gonna Die From Our Arrogance) 11) Half Pint -> Sublime (What I Got) 12) Bob Marley -> Sublime (Trenchtown Rock) 13) The Vandals -> Sublime (Ball and Chain) 14) The Toyes -> Sublime (Smoke Two Joints) 15) Barrington Levy -> Sublime (She's Mine/Saw Red) 16) Sublime -> Peter Tosh (Steppin' Razor) 17) Bob Marley -> Sublime (Jailhouse) 18) Sublime -> Pinchers (Bandelero) 19) Minor Threat -> Sublime (Minor Threat) *20) Sublime -> Bob Marley ->Sublime -> Bob Marley (Guava Jelly, This Train, Cornerstone Medley) 21) The Minutemen -> Sublime (History Lesson Part II/Waiting for My Ruca) 22) The Ziggens -> Sublime (Big Salty Tears) 23) Fishbone -> Sublime (Party at Ground Zero) 24) Sublime -> Frankie Laine (Rawhide TV Theme) 25) Original Cartoon Theme -> Sublime (Hong Kong Phooey TV Theme) 26) Sublime -> Bob Marley (Zimbabwe) 27) Falling Idols -> Sublime (Falling Idols) 28) Don Carlos -> Sublime (Pass me the Lazerbeam) 29) Sublime -> Dee Dee Warwick (Foolish/Crazy Fool) 30) Sublime -> Bad Brains (The Youth Are Getting Restless) 31) Sublime -> Tenor Saw and Buju Banton (Ring the Alarm) 32) Sublime -> The Specials (DJs -> Message to Rudy) 33) Sublime -> Horace Andy (Dub Medley 2 -> Elementary) 34) Sublime -> Frankie Paul (Get ready -> Are You Ready?) 35) Bob Marley -> Sublime -> Bob Marley -> Sublime (Hammer) *36) Sublime -> Camper Van Beethoven (Lassie/Lou-Dog Went to the Moon) *37) Sublime -> The Descendants (My Age) *38) Sublime -> Half Pint -> Sublime -> Half Pint (Cost of Living -> Level the Vibes) *39) Sublime -> George Clinton and the Parliament (New Song/Atomic Dog) *40) Sublime -> The Temptations and the Supremes (STP -> I Second That Emotion) *41) Sublime -> The Champs (What Happened?/Tequila!) *42) Sublime -> Eric Monty Morris (Little District) *43) Sublime -> Mudhoney (Farther I Go) *44) Sublime -> Winston Reedy (Romantic Girl) *45) Sublime -> The Doors (Cisco Kid/When the Music's Over) This horn dubbed over in this song is from Guru's (Gifted Unlimited Rhymes Universal=G.U.R.U.) Jazzamatazz called "Introduction"...a little extra info for you. ~Lou *46) Courtney Melody -> Sublime (A Ninja Me Ninja) *47) Sublime -> UB40 (Johnny Too Bad) *48) Camper Van Beethoven -> Sublime (Eye of Fatima) *49) Sublime -> Born Jamericans (Warning Sign) *50) The Descendants -> Sublime (Loser) *51) Richard Pryor -> Sublime (Have Your Ass Home by 11:00 -> What I Got) *52) Sublime -> Red Hot Chili Peppers (All You Need/Fight Like A Brave) *53) Half Pint -> Sublime (Winner Takes It All) *54) Sublime -> Pato Banton (King Step) *55) Sublime -> Bad Brains (I Love My Dog/I Luv I Jah) Last Track) Brad and Miguel Acappella Outro

Dana Wilson
Dana Wilson

OG sublime for sure! and ass for the person who says no originality. what the hell do you think freestyles are?? uh oh we got a winner!

Ricky Medina
Ricky Medina

file under "arguments that should have been settled by 1999"

Ricky Medina
Ricky Medina

file under "arguments that should have been settled by 1999"

Nate Wayne Wrong Lion
Nate Wayne Wrong Lion

hey this so cal legends but since brads death i can that make him more of a legend

Andre Miller
Andre Miller

Sublime had no originality! They took old reggae songs that didn't blow up here in the States & put a little rock to it. Not once did they pay homage to the reggae greats! What they have spawned is the trend of 'Surf Reggae'. W/ that said No Doubt by a mile!

Andre Miller
Andre Miller

Sublime had no originality! They took old reggae songs that didn't blow up here in the States & put a little rock to it. Not once did they pay homage to the reggae greats! What they have spawned is the trend of 'Surf Reggae'. W/ that said No Doubt by a mile!

Jason Guthrie
Jason Guthrie

Sublime wins that every day without a doubt! With Rome or Bradley, doesn't matter!

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