[UPDATED With Comment from City] Santoros in SanTana: The Proof Bar Show That Went Poof

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UPDATE: June 1, 9 A.M.: Read the response from Proof owner Joey Mendes here.

UPDATE, MAY 24, 4:05 P.M.:  Teresa Judd, Assistant City Attorney of Santa Ana, informs the Weekly after checking with multiple departments that, "The city does not have a policy of citing businesses for accepting alternative forms of identification"--contrary to what Santoros members say Proof owner Joey Mendes told them.  A request for comment from Mendes has yet to be returned. 

ORIGINAL ITEM, MAY 24, 7:45 A.M.: Santoros, an Echo Park-based psychedelic folk band, was all set to hit the stage for a Sunday night show at Downtown SanTana's Proof Bar on May 15th before ultimately packing up and heading home early. The free show featuring Them Howling Bones and Moondog Orchestra as opening acts dissolved after a dispute between Santoros' band members and Proof's owner.

"We just showed up there and tried to play," Santoros rhythm guitarist Tony Jimenez recounts. "When we got to the security guy, he asked for identification," the musician adds. "We showed them the IDs that we had and he said we weren't allowed to be inside of the bar until it was time for us to play."

Two of the band members had presented a Consular Mexican ID and National Mexican ID respectively. Several major banks have for years accepted Matrícula Consular cards as valid forms of identification for opening up accounts, but they apparently aren't good enough "proof" for Proof Bar's security guard, nor its owner Joey Mendes. This is nothing new as friends of mine who weren't in bands, but tried to chill and get a drink at the establishment have recounted similar experiences.

Jimenez's brother Uriel, also in the band, tried to negotiate and reason out of Santoros being treated like a group of high school aged kids playing a 21-and-over venue. "Uriel talked to the owner and he said 'That's was how it is in OC,'" the musician recalls. "He went on to claim that the city could give him a ticket if he allowed people with Mexican IDs into the bar." For the LA-based band, this came as a surprise given their awareness of SanTana's robust and youthful Latino population. 

Faced with the indignity of being kept outside of Proof Bar, Santoros decided to call it quits. Mendes warned that doing so would harm the band's relationship with its fans, but they weren't swayed. In solidarity, Them Howling Bones and Moondog Orchestra followed their lead. The band left a message on their Facebook page simply alerting fans of the cancellation. A few phone calls to local friends were also made to deliver the news.

"We've played the Echo, the Viper Room, the Conga Room, the Five Stars Bar, the Dragonfly," Jimenez says rolling off a number of venues in the greater Los Angeles area.

"We never have troubles at any of these bars," the rhythm guitarist notes. "We are always fine."

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Daisy
Daisy

The owner of Proof Bar is the biggest douche bag I have ever met.  Its going to be funny to see all these other bars open up on this block to run your business down to the ground.  And Proof Bar allowed for "the artist" to submerge? Um, I highly doubt it, it's just a bar, lets not give it too much credit.  This place along with American Apparel, and Gypsy Den, was the opening door for gentrification.  I find it funny that I walk only ONE block, and it goes from La Quatro  to a bunch of hipsters and people who come from Newport or Huntington Beach with their arrogant attitudes and they act as if they lived through all the crime and violence that we had to live through while living there, and now with all the rising prices of the apartments, and over priced lofts, the Latino culture will slowly fade away due to gentrification of this area. It'd be nice if the people who resided here can experience the change in their neighborhood but can't because rent is way too damn expensive.  You talk about Proof Bar helping out the Latino Community, think again, it's only ruining it.

misfire
misfire

What a joke!This "L.A. based band" with Mexican ID's, .....ummm, which is it?"We just showed up and tried to play," but decided to leave when they found out they couldn't drink. *Owner never asked band to leave

Pay attention people!!! Does a company ever hire someone just to fire them?Why would Proof BOOK this band, PROMOTE this show (at band's request, after original promoter quit), then DENY the band entrance? ... because they are Mexican? SHUT UP WITH THAT MADNESS!

This is not a racist thing here. 

Liquor laws are ever-evolving. It its my understanding that only the Department of Alcohol and Beverage Control did, but no longer recognizes Matrícula Consular cards as acceptable forms of ID. Maybe the author should call the ABC instead of citing "opening up accounts." Wth? Banks don't serve alcohol.  

Peter
Peter

This article might be a little bias. I know the owner, since Proof bar is near my office. Proof Bar is the only bar in Santa Ana that asks for ID's from anyone that enters the bar, regardless if you're 60. The ID is then scanned through a... device, the reason for this is to track who enters the bar, all data is sent to police authorities to reduce the risk of crime. I know this because I was at the city hall meeting. If they allow anyone without a scanned ID, regardless if it doesn't scan (so if you have a f'd up id) you can't be let in, which a business can't get in trouble because you can refuse service to anyone, because if they do they could loose their business licence. Write an article before u know the facts. Those are my two cents - I'm playing the devils Advocate.

Just sayin'
Just sayin'

Let me start off by saying that I'm not siding with the obvious racist owner but come on!These guys have been in the country long enough to have acquired a valid California ID by now. I suspect the continuing use of their MCAS just helps them maintain their "Naco" image they work so hard to keep up..? Aren't these guys from the valley anyways?Why try and complicate things if you don't have too?

Spelling King
Spelling King

Gentrification? really? ...for not letting one band play that had a dude that was under 21?. Im a regular at Proof and the fact is that this place has help grow the local music scene incluiding hundred of local bands and artist. This bar was one of the first bars that let my friend's band play in OC after being turned down in south county. 4 mexican dudes with Mars Volta Hair. This bar has been here since probably before 2007. Look inside at the art made by local mexican artist , and the patrons, the bands mostly latino bands that play there and tell me this bar is not part of Santa Ana itself.  The fact is that there is no consensus on accepting Matriculas. Testimony before Congress by the Federal Bureau of Investigation claimed the Mexican government has no centralized database for the cards, making them rife for forgery and duplication. Do you know how fatty of a fine this place would get if they had people in there under 21 or with a fake ID? Sure Banks and other local cities accept it but only when they are making money. The "FDIC says about $18 billion is wired annually from the U.S. to Mexico. Many U.S. banks have welcomed the IDs as a way to get a cut of this activity by profiting from the handling charges on the wires and increased deposits."Paying fines, making deposits, etc but try getting a a driver's license or applying for a job at city hall. Nope, denied. Do I wish it would be accepted everywhere? fuck yeah. But I will not fault a person's decision based on if he decides to get fined or shut down.  I suggest you guys contact your elected state officials.

Civial Rights Attorney
Civial Rights Attorney

'checking with multiple departments that, "The city does not have a policy of citing businesses for accepting alternative forms of identification"

I will be contacting the Band shortly.

Joeyproof
Joeyproof

     There are at least 3 sides to every story. For the sake of clarity, I will make it known that the state, not the city, regulates which forms of identification can be used to enter a bar. Furthermore, one of the band members openly admitted that he was under 21, necessitating his exclusion, not from playing, but from drinking and lounging. Ever seen the movie "High Fidelity"? I like my liquor license.     There is an interesting back-story to this whole ordeal but I will say that I went to extraordinary efforts to support this show and I will not compromise my brick and mortar business so that I can make a few extra bucks.     Gabriel:  More than one band member told me that they bring their passports to those shows at the Echo and Viper Room. I was very much looking forward to these guys playing and was disappointed that we couldn't make it happen. Dozens of people get refused entrance to my bar on a weekly basis because they do not have proper identification. I will not make exceptions or compromises simply because you play an instrument, have awesome hair, or dress cool.

-cheersJoey Mendes

yours truly<3
yours truly<3

great promoter? my ass. there is no "greats" towards proof bar. therefore being a great promoter would not comply.

Angry World Citizen
Angry World Citizen

to the retarded owners defense... I wonder if there is a law in regards to the acceptable ID's to consume alcohol.  but anyway... he could have made an exception let the guys in and play... sucker!

Angry World Citizen
Angry World Citizen

aaaaaar! This upsets me.... I just had this happend to someone at CVS.... I said the same thing... for years we have been accepting the matricula consular and foreign passports to open accounts at the banks ( who by the way are regulated by the federal gov.) were I have worked.... It really upsets me! I am a U.S Citizen but I would hate to feel what they felt... I AM PROUD OF ALL THE BANDS THAT LEFT AND DID NOT PLAY... For sure I will never go to that bar in my life....

Ernesto Reynoso
Ernesto Reynoso

i was going to film the Wreck Hall Anniversary show this year but my assistant only had a mexican id so they wouldn't let him in.we were there to work and they said no.  i was working for FREE and they still treated me and my assistant like second class citizens.  Proof Bar is probably the worst bar in the Santa Ana downtown area.

Wreck Hall Fan
Wreck Hall Fan

When you keep you conscience clean and people do you wrong......everything will fall into place Proof bar lost a great Promoter.............The Wreck Hall.......DJ Vertigo

yours truly<3
yours truly<3

i really wanted to see all 3 of these bands perform i was so bummed out they didnt get too.. but rules are rules i guess and must be followed. but over all proof sucks, and these bands don't. so i guess it only makes sense ;]

promoter
promoter

this aint a recent "gentrification" thing... it's ALWAYS been this way at Proof....

Jack123
Jack123

they dont look mexican...

OY!!

Ugh
Ugh

Looks like you need to get your facts straight misfire especially about the show details i think its best that you shut your mouth....

Ugh
Ugh

You are playing the Devils advocate blindly because you don not know the details, Point is law or not its not a wise decision for Proof to do this being that Santa Anas majority  is Latino, Now if their trying to cater to the out of the city hipsters to keep the locals out that is another story.

Peter
Peter

 It's not a requirement, but Proof Bar was to be set as an example to other bars.

MayhemInTheHood
MayhemInTheHood

I'm with you. I actually did a bunch of Googling and couldn't fine anything that said that a Matricula is an acceptable ID for a bar. I did find a DREAM Act message board where people were asking the same question, and most replies were that the person should use their passport, not a Matricula.

misfire
misfire

save time, start with ABC liquor license review

Spelling King
Spelling King

you go ahead there " Civial" Rights Attorney

ugh
ugh

Hey Joey lets hope your other legal issues do not come out from under the rug, you know like the one where one of your security literally threw some one out of their bar and hit their mouth on the floor       and needed surgery are you done paying that off? Oh yeah and I head LA weekly is soon to be writing about the issue, wonder how that is going to affect you.

 Wreck Hall Fan
Wreck Hall Fan

LOl extraordinary efforts to support the show. Ripping off a Wreck Hall night with the same line up calling it ROCK HALL instead of THE WRECK HALL. some extraordinary efforts. 

Lille Bose
Lille Bose

Hi Joey--we've been trying to reach you but the email sent to the general Proof address has no reply yet. Please email me at lbose@ocweekly.com. Thanks!

MayhemInTheHood
MayhemInTheHood

Shhhh...you're supposed to be "unavailable for comment". Quit trying to ruin the story.

The Wreck Hall Fan
The Wreck Hall Fan

DJ VIRTIGO dont get it twisted........your prob just another filipino trying to be black

Jorge/Virtigo
Jorge/Virtigo

Not all promoters in that bar do not work equally i highly doubt you know the amount of work that goes into something like that. Do not lump all promoters at proof together...what I did there did not exist at the level it grew to so I must have been doing something rightJorge/Virtigo

misfire
misfire

he DID make that exception, the band left because terms of the exception was that they could ONLY play, not drink

misfire
misfire

your issue is with the laws, not the barkill the messenger if you must but that's gonna help grow the music scene anywhere

misfire
misfire

What a shame, considering the wreck hall anniversary show hasn't taken place yet...It's at the Doll Hut next weekend, try getting ALL your facts right

another scary mexican
another scary mexican

i'm also awaiting all of the "well, they were mexicans..blah blah blah" comments.

misfire
misfire

My facts? I was wrong about the venue. The Wreck Fest (Wreck Hall's Anniversary show) takes place 2 days from now at The Juke Joint in Anaheim.

You said it was at Proof - wrong, promoter quit, venue changedAnd you already went - wrong, hasn't happened yetAnd your assistant couldn't get in - time traveling can be tough :(I read your post. 

Did you read mine? Because you haven't pointed out any fact IN MY POST that I "need to get straight." 

Fortunately, I'm familiar enough with The Wreck Hall to know that your misguided and bitter takes on this comment board are not a true reflection of what The Wreck Hall strives to be. DJ Virtigo is a great promoter, a great ambassador of local bands, and I trust he will continue to put on great shows regardless of the venue. 

I also believe that Proof has a proven track record of providing a great nightlife experience for over 5 years now. Sure there are laws that all bars must follow and maybe, if you look hard enough, you'll find an owner willing to risk his business/liquor license for your entertainment.  I will continue to support live music but I think its a shame that in this day and age, a few artists/bands still think they're above the law. I trust that this example will work towards solidifying Proof's reputation and dedication in providing the safest atmosphere for their guests (in accordance with local laws and regulations) without compromising the integrity of their business. 

Spelling_king
Spelling_king

The passport is a government issued ID, despite of its origin it has certain international recognition in many countries. Of course the city does not cite people for using alternative forms of ID. Because there is a list of acceptable alternative forms of ID.

I am all for allowing people use different forms of ID (including a matricula) but there is not a uniform code of conduct for business accepting them, therefore any business wanting not to accept those has every right to in order to avoid huge fines, shutdown, and evening losing thier permit to sell liquor.

Any embassy is willing to accept request for a passport and THAT is a legal substitute for an ID. unfortunately that was not the case here, it is that they were trying to use mexican issued ID's not passport. legally not the same.

Proof has helped so many local artist and bands that I find it sad that after so much local support to build the artist village in santa ana that this is an actual issue.

  

   

gabriel san roman
gabriel san roman

I spoke at length with Mr. Mendes after he provided his direct contact information. Another post on this issue independent of an update is forthcoming. In the meantime, people ought not confuse the comment about a 21 year old to be related to the Santoros band.

Chris_vasquez88
Chris_vasquez88

wow, I was one of filipino guys that attended wreck hall regularly and if this is the obvious racist statements that are spouted by the fans, im glad it's no longer there.

ugh
ugh

Again misfire wrong info do the world a favor and get your facts straight..

misfire
misfire

on the off chance "Wreck Hall Fan" isn't Ernesto Reynoso, maybe you could just explain your comment "law or not its not a wise decision for Proof to ..." "Law or not" this is how you should run your business. REALLY?!???

promoter
promoter

CHEERS to the Spelling King !

gabriel san roman
gabriel san roman

...rather a comment about a person admitting to being under 21 years of age. 

Jorge/Virtigo
Jorge/Virtigo

Chris, The Wreck Hall has nothing to do with the whole ID issue and the person that made what ever comment you felt was racist does not speak for The Wreck Hall. I left the bar for my own reason before this incident. Don not lable The Wreck Hall racist.

Jorge/Virtigo

Smithsdm
Smithsdm

Chris the comment is not racist, and the comment had nothing to do with The Wreck Hall I said it.

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